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Game Boy / Possible Metal Slug GBC prototype in a pirate "Terrifying 9/11"
« on: August 24, 2010, 11:13:52 AM »
Cheetahmen
Aug 24 2010, 09:45:34 AM
Probably about the same odds as two pirate developers porting a game to a system that it had already been ported to officially. (Mega Drive Aladdin, in case you couldn't guess) Anyway, is anyone sure that these games are by two different developers? As far as I can tell that's the case, but analysing Terrifying 911 might help.[/quote]Ah, this is true. Why did I not think of Aladdin? Heh.

And it may very well be possible that Terrifying 911 was by BBD; I don't know why I didn't think of that possibility. The two Hitek RPGs that I mentioned both seem very Sintax-ish, not to mention that both Metal Slug knockoffs use the fonts from PC Paint...

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2000-present / D-CAT8 8bit Game Console
« on: August 24, 2010, 02:02:41 AM »
I just found a YouTube recording of the Vangard GameCore, in three parts, for those who want to see at least some of this thing's games in action (alas, the guy got bored before finishing off the whole thing, it seems):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCfXfLOjDA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxO0sSJDIeQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP2cE-4BU-Q

Edit: And oh gah, I just realized where I've heard the music in Jungle Adventure. It's a really bad remake of a tune from Boogerman! Here, compare for yourself, with this Boogerman speedrun. It sounds very much like it might've even been hacked from Rex Soft's port of Boogerman.

Edit #2: That is so Sachen's sound driver in Magic Block. Wow. I think I've seen that font used in their games too. How have I not seen this game in existence before?

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Game Boy / Possible Metal Slug GBC prototype in a pirate "Terrifying 9/11"
« on: August 24, 2010, 12:36:35 AM »
Barver
Aug 23 2010, 08:51:04 PM
Edit: Yeah, just looked at the screenshots. Guess it's a Sintax game that other piraters redistributed with the stupid 9/11 story since they saw that as a way to make it appear to be something else. And I always thought it was an original game.[/quote]I don't recall the base game for Terrifying 911 (the one in oaa's link) actually being dumped, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. The original version of Beet Terrif Battle (which I linked), on the other hand, is dumped as Metal Slug 2001.

Yeah, I know it's confusing. Two completely different Metal Slug knockoffs, both with 9/11 storylines. What are the chances?

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Game Boy / Possible Metal Slug GBC prototype in a pirate "Terrifying 9/11"
« on: August 23, 2010, 08:13:22 PM »
Oh, I've read about this thing as well, but I haven't seen it in action either, much less a dump of it.

The weirdest thing is that this is not the only Metal Slug-related GBC pirate original with a 9/11 theme. There's also a version of BBD's Metal Slug 2001 with the same theme, titled The Beet Terrif Battle of 2002 (sic, sic, sic!).

Edit: On a couple forums when I tried searching for stuff about it (and on the page you linked above, for that matter), I found out that Terrifying 9/11 is credited to a company named Hitek. They're also credited in a couple RPGs that have been dumped-- "Heroic Sword" and "Bokujou Monogatari 2", the latter of which is not Harvest Moon 2 at all but whose header claims that it is.

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Pirate Talk / This may be of interest...
« on: August 23, 2010, 07:29:05 PM »
taizou
Aug 23 2010, 07:24:25 PM
i think he speaks some English, he posted a couple of times on the RX boards before the pirate forum had a 10-post limit. maybe he'd even post here if someone left a comment on his blog or something.

i can't quite tell from the google translation of that blog post though, but it seems to me like he dumped the menu from some other cart in 2001 and made his own version using its code. and my 19 in 1 only has games from 1999 or earlier, so I'd guess it was made before '01. [/quote]That was my understanding as well, but it also sounded like the original was only monochrome and silent, and he added the color support and music to it, both of which are in your multicarts. Though maybe I'm misreading... I wish I could read more than a few words of Chinese. -_-;;

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Pirate Talk / This may be of interest...
« on: August 23, 2010, 07:03:26 PM »
They also discovered the High Seas Havoc sound engine's prevalence among Mega Drive pirates around the same time we did; see the footnote here:

http://gdri.smspower.org/wiki/index.php/Mega_Drive/Genesis_Sound_Engine_List
KingPepe
Aug 23 2010, 07:03:05 PM
Woah, woah, woah
Quote:
 
when maxzhou88, who worked at Super Game[/quote]
He worked for Super Game? I never knew that. [/quote]Yup! He's blogged about several of the games he developed, including Shinobi, Earthworm Jim 2 and Boogerman.

Edit: Oh, this is interesting. The menus in taizou's 12-in-1 and 19-in-1 multicarts? Zhou might have developed that code, at least if I'm understanding Google's translation of this post correctly.

Edit again: Yep, that is definitely the same menu code, Last Bible music and all! Wonder if he had any role in developing Meng Huan Zhi Xing...

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1984-1992 / Jing Ke Xin Zhuan
« on: August 23, 2010, 09:41:33 AM »
Cheetahmen
Aug 23 2010, 08:18:07 AM
Good to see that someone managed to figure this thing out. The battle music is definitely an earlier version of Sugico's stage of AV Bishoujo Senshi Girl Fighting. Also, going through the graphics in the rom, the 2 in the 1992 copyright is in the middle of the title screen graphics and seperate from the rest of the text. Maybe development on this game started in 1991?[/quote]Ooh, good catch. That would mean this possibly predates Street Fighter II.

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1984-1992 / Jing Ke Xin Zhuan
« on: August 22, 2010, 10:52:22 PM »
The method of text scrolling in this game is really annoying. Only four characters on the screen at once!

Incidentally, is this possibly the first ever game using this sound engine? I mean, it's from 1992. That's pretty early by Taiwanese pirate standards.

(Edit: Yeah, it's from the same year as SF2; for some reason I thought that was from a later year. So either of those might be the first; it's a chicken-and-egg thing...)

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Game Boy / Stolen music in GB pirates
« on: August 22, 2010, 05:06:05 PM »
taizou
Aug 22 2010, 01:44:08 PM
Yeah, it is a bit. though I guess there werent as many pirate/unlicensed GB developers as on other consoles - its just unfortunate that probably the most prolific one (assuming all these Sintax/SKOB/TD games were developed by the same people, which seems kinda likely) was the one with a habit of stealing music.[/quote]I know BBD is responsible for a large number of Sintax' games that I've seen, and is often explicitly credited therein. And one of those explicitly credited games, True Three Kingdoms, has the TD-Soft boot logo in its ripped version (San Goku Shi Act C). So yeah, there's definitely a connection on those two, at least. And it wouldn't surprise me at all that they did contract development for SKOB too, given the similar quality and given that a SKOB game used the same music as a TD-Soft game.

[Edit: Thought I had something here with Saishuu Gensou displaying the same "Please use a Game Boy Color" message in mono mode as several Sintax titles, but Saishuu Gensou wasn't credited to SKOB in the first place. Oops. However, it does appear that the code to display the "Please use a Game Boy Color to play this game" message is buried in the ROM of SKOB's Super SLG, but doesn't run in the dumped copy. And both Super SLG and the Sintax games have "0123456789ABCDEF" in PC Paint's font near the beginning of the ROM. So yeah...]

But yeah, it could still be much worse. It could be that the most prolific one made music like Yong Yong's rather than stealing it from good soundtracks. <wishes there were a "covering ears" emoticon>

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Game Boy / Stolen music in GB pirates
« on: August 21, 2010, 09:17:06 PM »
taizou
Aug 21 2010, 09:08:43 PM
ooh I just found the game True Three Kingdoms's music is from. its Seme COM Dungeon: Drururuaga. published by Namco but developed by the same team as RPG Maker GB.[/quote]Ooh, good catch! Don't know how I missed that. That would explain why it sounds so much like the RPG Maker music!

And the music in Castlevania EMO Demo is from Castlevania II. Yeah, that one's a shocker.

So yeah... pretty much every good GB pirate soundtrack is from another game, with the exception of VFame's. This is enlightening, but sad...

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Game Boy / Stolen music in GB pirates
« on: August 21, 2010, 08:36:36 PM »
taizou
Aug 21 2010, 08:17:37 PM
I just noticed the music from my 19 in 1 is from Last Bible too. though i guess thats not surprising, what with both menus being pretty much identical. I wonder if the menus were coded by someone who worked on Meng Huan Zhi Xing or if its just a coincidence..[/quote]LOL, I had just edited my comment to mention the 12-in-1 cart before you posted that. :D

I have no idea if it was coded by one of the same programmers, though with the links between so many pirate companies, you never can be too sure...

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Game Boy / Stolen music in GB pirates
« on: August 21, 2010, 08:08:41 PM »
taizou
Aug 21 2010, 08:04:01 PM
wow :D RPG Maker. Fantastic. seriously did no one apart from V.Fame make their own music on the GBC (and Yong Yong, but, well, yeah).[/quote]Well, there is Sachen, but they're basically an extension of Yong Yong anyway on most of their recent stuff. I think Gowin's GBC games have original music, too, but since they won't even play on some actual hardware, much less emulators...

Quote:
 
Last Bible was originally released for the mono GB in 1992 btw (only the '99 colour version got a US release)[/quote]Ah, that would explain it. The GBS rip is of the GBC rerelease, and thus shows a '99 copyright.

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Game Boy / Stolen music in GB pirates
« on: August 21, 2010, 07:29:24 PM »
Oh my. I just figured out what game the music in the three RPGs I mentioned above is taken from.

The official Game Boy version of RPG Maker.

Seriously.

The irony, 'tis hilarious. I guess that is a good place to start for generic RPG music though!  :whistle:

Alas, it is not the source of the True Three Kingdoms music, despite the similarities in style. Wonder if it's another game that Hiroyuki Takei did the music for, perhaps?
Ooh, another SKOB discovery! Their Phantasy Star clone, Meng Huan Zhi Xing, has its music taken directly from "Revelations: The Demon Slayer" (a.k.a. "Last Bible"). The music's by another Hiroyuki-- Hiroyuki Yanada, specifically. I knew it was too good to be pirate original!

Even weirder, Meng Huan is a monochrome game, but Revelations is GBC. Guess it's actually newer than we thought it was.

Edit: And oh my, Last Bible is also the source of the music in taizou's VFame multicart menu!

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Game Boy / Ice Age music source found!
« on: August 21, 2010, 04:55:41 PM »
I was just listening through GBS rips, and found the source of the soundtrack for both versions of Sintax' "Ice Age".

The game in question?

::drumroll:: Kandume Monsters. Also spelled "Kanzume Monsters" in some dumps. It's a Tamagotchi-style game that I honestly hadn't heard of either.  :)

Now if only I could find the source of the True Three Kingdoms music...

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Game Boy / Stolen music in GB pirates
« on: August 21, 2010, 04:30:37 PM »
I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this already on the RX Forums, but I figured it was worth repeating here because it's something I'm still quite curious about.

There is a game which is credited to Sintax called "Zhong Zhuan Qi Bing". More specifically, there's no in-game credit, but the ROM ID is "SINTAX MM V1007" - and since the game was inspired by the Famicom RPG "Metal Max", it seems like this is probably the right ID. It also has the boot logo which, if you sort of squint at it, looks like "Kwichuu" or "Kwichvu"-- another sign suggesting it's by Sintax. I believe this may be the same game as "Raider Max" on Sintax' now-defunct site, though it's hard to tell because the image wasn't archived with it.

Now here's the interesting part. This game uses the same music as "Super SLG", which is credited in-game to SKOB. It's also in the "Final Fantaxy IX" (sic) game that taizou owns, which is credited to TD-Soft. And aside from that, it's also in "Saishuu Gensou", a.k.a. "Final Fantasy Unlimited Saga", which has no in-game logo but also uses the "Kwichuu" boot logo associated with Sintax.

It's also very similar in style to the music used in Sintax' "True Three Kingdoms" (a.k.a. "Sangokushi Act C"), though as far as I know, none of the tunes are the same. (Then again, I haven't played very far in any of them. Anyone know if there's any overlap?)

So... is this music taken from a legitimate licensed game? Or is it just a bunch of pirates stealing each other's code? Were Sintax and SKOB in cahoots, or did they just steal from the same places? Because these are some curious coincidences indeed.

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