- taizou
- Mar 27 2011, 01:05:05 AM
theres more stuff like that on VRT's download page (http://vrt.com.tw/download.php), including a few demo roms scattered around - a "Pinball" credited to DJ-Jungle which is just a menu really, "Boxing" which is a menu and some still images, and a VT168 demo with a bunch of tests and stuff. interestingly the latter starts with the same sound effect used for the mini game menu in the various "Sport 6 in 1" Wii clones (like my Wow), but i suspect whoever coded that menu just stole it from the dev kit. :D[/quote]I know I have heard that sound effect before, like, back in the '90s somewhere. And I cannot place it for the life of me.
On the VT168 demo ROM, the "Game Demo" looks very Cube Tech-y, doesn't it?- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: Awesome Panda on March 27, 2011, 07:23:21 AM- I love how the title screen for the Boxing game is blatantly stolen from Evander Holyfield's Real Deal Boxing for the Mega Drive. Also, I think the "Push Start Button" font is stolen from Aladdin.
One thing I find funny is that there's an ASM file labelled Sonson which just seems to comprise of references to Super Mario Bros. 3.- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: MLX on March 27, 2011, 09:40:41 AM- Noob time:
Is there a way to use the files in "roms" folder ? I couldn't understand how to play them- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: Awesome Panda on March 27, 2011, 09:47:35 AM
- MLX
- Mar 27 2011, 09:40:41 AM
Noob time:
Is there a way to use the files in "roms" folder ? I couldn't understand how to play them[/quote]Not without compiling the PPU and PRO files, I don't think. There are a few backup files of NES ROMs, but they're just a few of the games off that Korean multicart.
Edit: Come to think of it, there's 105 sets of those files, and the sizes of them correspond with the ROMs that are actually on the multicart. (for the most part, at least. The 48Kb games are 64Kb for some odd reason) So presumably, compiling the 001 files would give you Sonic 3D Blast 5.- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: codeman38 on March 27, 2011, 11:30:40 AM
- Cheetahmen
- Mar 27 2011, 07:23:21 AM
I love how the title screen for the Boxing game is blatantly stolen from Evander Holyfield's Real Deal Boxing for the Mega Drive. Also, I think the "Push Start Button" font is stolen from Aladdin.[/quote]Indeed it is. I remember seeing that same font ripped off in several of Cube Tech's MiWi games, too, come to think of it.
- Cheetahmen
- Mar 27 2011, 09:47:35 AM
Edit: Come to think of it, there's 105 sets of those files, and the sizes of them correspond with the ROMs that are actually on the multicart. (for the most part, at least. The 48Kb games are 64Kb for some odd reason) So presumably, compiling the 001 files would give you Sonic 3D Blast 5.[/quote]Using a tile editor on the PPU files, that does indeed appear to be the case. The first one's Sonic; the second one's Ninja Turtles: The Manhattan Project; the third one's Super Contra... and the 105th one is Frontline.- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: Awesome Panda on March 27, 2011, 12:23:39 PM
- codeman38
- Mar 27 2011, 11:30:40 AM
- Cheetahmen
- Mar 27 2011, 07:23:21 AM
I love how the title screen for the Boxing game is blatantly stolen from Evander Holyfield's Real Deal Boxing for the Mega Drive. Also, I think the "Push Start Button" font is stolen from Aladdin.[/quote]Indeed it is. I remember seeing that same font ripped off in several of Cube Tech's MiWi games, too, come to think of it.[/quote]In other words, the EmuVT emulator is by JungleTac and that Boxing demo is most likely by Cube Tech. There's gotta be some sort of connection between them if both companies are using the OneBus archiecture, I doubt one would've stolen from the other if resources from both were included in that documentation.
- codeman38
That one's actually Super Contra (or Super C if you prefer) but I think I'm right on that. Mind you, I (by which I mean KingPepe) found a couple of blunders on the multicart maker's part. Xevious is included twice, once without the copyright (the other one is the US release) and both Nuts & Milk and Penguin (a hack of it) are included. And for whatever reason, a couple of the games don't actually work. Also, this is the only multi I've seen where Super Mario Bros. is unhacked.
Edit: Oh, and both F-1 Race and UFO Race are included.- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: codeman38 on March 27, 2011, 12:28:02 PM- Full list of games from the VT02 multicart-- amazingly, there are only two verbatim repeats and two hacks of other games on the cart:
Spoiler: click to toggle
- Cheetahmen
- Mar 27 2011, 12:23:39 PM
That one's actually Super Contra (or Super C if you prefer) but I think I'm right on that.[/quote]Yeah, I realized my mistake and edited it shortly after posting the wrong game ID, heh. My eyes aren't working very well today. :)- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: Awesome Panda on March 27, 2011, 12:37:31 PM
- codeman38
- Mar 27 2011, 12:28:02 PM
11. Tom & Jerry (with weird "Apichai" hack of Hi Tech logo)[/quote]That's the same version I have on my pirate copy.
Personally, I'm wondering how they got Final Mission on there more than anything. The other large games (the first 12, that is) are all TxROM, which are easy to run on multicarts but Final Mission is an SKROM (Mapper 1) game, meaning that (by my understanding of multicart programming) it won't work unless it's been hacked to run on TxROM. The same goes for S.C.A.T. and Action In New York (the American and European releases respectively) so I presume the multicart maker hacked the ROM themselves to get the game working. I believe that's the same reason you never see Nintendo's Tetris on multicarts, despite being the same size as the other versions.
Edit: There was a pirate TLROM conversion, but that one removes the copyright, whereas the multicart version doesn't.- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: taizou on March 27, 2011, 12:44:12 PM
- Cheetahmen
- Mar 27 2011, 12:23:39 PM
In other words, the EmuVT emulator is by JungleTac and that Boxing demo is most likely by Cube Tech. There's gotta be some sort of connection between them if both companies are using the OneBus archiecture, I doubt one would've stolen from the other if resources from both were included in that documentation.[/quote]i think Wise Wang is the connection - he seems to have worked for Jungletac (back when it was DJ-Jungle), then Biikoo, then Cube Tech. maybe some other staff made the same move.- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: Awesome Panda on March 27, 2011, 01:25:28 PM
- taizou
- Mar 27 2011, 12:44:12 PM
- Cheetahmen
- Mar 27 2011, 12:23:39 PM
In other words, the EmuVT emulator is by JungleTac and that Boxing demo is most likely by Cube Tech. There's gotta be some sort of connection between them if both companies are using the OneBus archiecture, I doubt one would've stolen from the other if resources from both were included in that documentation.[/quote]i think Wise Wang is the connection - he seems to have worked for Jungletac (back when it was DJ-Jungle), then Biikoo, then Cube Tech. maybe some other staff made the same move.[/quote]That sounds about right, but if it were the case then where have JungleTac got their games from for the past couple of years?
Speaking of them, the 32M-99x multicarts seem to use a similar setup to that Korean multicart, except with 6 fewer games listed and 4 large games as opposed to 12.- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: codeman38 on March 27, 2011, 01:36:02 PM
- Cheetahmen
- Mar 27 2011, 01:25:28 PM
That sounds about right, but if it were the case then where have JungleTac got their games from for the past couple of years?[/quote]Nice Code, of course! :D
No, seriously-- Nice Code's site lists several games that are very clearly copyrighted to JungleTac.
Wouldn't be surprised if there were some old Waixing people who came over to JungleTac as well, especially given how many of their games use the Super Contra sound engine.
Oh, just thought of something else. Remember how there was that one "Penrlty Kick" game on the Waixing Vii that used Hummer Team sound effects? Between that and Pink Jelly, maybe there really were ex-Hummer Team folks developing for the VT03.- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: Awesome Panda on March 27, 2011, 01:49:16 PM
- codeman38
- Mar 27 2011, 01:36:02 PM
Oh, just thought of something else. Remember how there was that one "Penrlty Kick" game on the Waixing Vii that used Hummer Team sound effects? Between that and Pink Jelly, maybe there really were ex-Hummer Team folks developing for the VT03.[/quote]If there were ex-Hummer Team developers making games for the VT03, then why (to my knowledge) have they only made 2 games? I'm guessing they probably converted some of their other small games (as in Panda Adventure, Space Shuttle Exploration and such) to VT03 and we just haven't seen them yet. Mind you, if that was the case then I'd like to see graphical revamps of Street Fighter IV and Somari as well. :D- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: KingPepe on March 27, 2011, 04:50:17 PM- Well, we do have that one Sonic 3D Blast 5 on that Korean multicart although that could've been taken off the internet for all we know.
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Post by: Awesome Panda on March 27, 2011, 05:14:12 PM
- KingPepe
- Mar 27 2011, 04:50:17 PM
Well, we do have that one Sonic 3D Blast 5 on that Korean multicart although that could've been taken off the internet for all we know.[/quote]I doubt it. By the looks of things, I think someone tried to reprogram it to give it a different menu in English, but in the alternate version all of the games are called "001" and it crashes when you try accessing the last 5 games. I also doubt that whoever did this documentation would go to the trouble of seperating the PPU and PRO files of each game just to look like they made it.- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: Awesome Panda on March 31, 2011, 05:51:34 PM- I just realised something. If the VT168 is capable of the graphics and sound shown in those demos and companies like JungleTac and Cube Tech developed for it, then don't a lot of those Wii clones essentially run on modded 8-bit hardware?
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Post by: taizou on March 31, 2011, 06:16:31 PM- Yeah, I guess so - I'm not sure how close the VT168 is to the NES but its still 6502 based according to VRT's site.
I know the Wow/Sport 6-in-1/etc uses it, but I'm not sure about the MiWi or the iSports etc.. the Cube Tech games on the Miwi are labelled as VT168 on Cube's site, but the Waixing games are the same as the ones on the iSports, and the iSports seems to run at a higher resolution than the Wow (at least comparing the place where they both stole graphics from the same game :D). idk though, i'll have to investigate a bit more. o_o
edit: oh yeah, the MiWi is on VRT's site so I guess that really is a VT168.
The Wiii3 and WiWi use the Sunplus SPG288 or 289 though and i'm pretty sure those are genuine 16-bit. (well the earlier 87 game version comes with one cart of Sunplus games and one of VT03 games - I dunno if the console has both or if the hardware is on the cart OneStation-style),- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: Awesome Panda on April 07, 2011, 06:48:38 PM- Well if this thread (http://nesdev.parodius.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=5222) is anything to go by, the Generation NEX runs on OneBus hardware as well.
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Post by: taizou on April 07, 2011, 08:44:19 PM- ooh, that's interesting. i wonder if it'll run any VT03 cartridges? I don't know of many, usually VT03 games are just built in, but Qi Sheng Long released a 72 pin 5 in 1 VT03 cart for one of their famiclones, and a 60 pin 69 in 1 cart for some Wii clone... theoretically the NEX should be able to run both, since it has 72 and 60 pin slots. but in my experience QSL never really concern themselves with interoperability with other companies' products (well, apart from the ones they're cloning), so maybe not.
oh and I just got one of those 69 in 1 cartridges, someone was selling all the accessories from an EZi on eBay so i bought it for 99p mainly out of curiosity about that one cart. but now i have yet another set of useless plastic accessories as well, *and* three more crap wireless controllers, *and* a 16 in 1 cart that only contains games that I already have on a Wiii3 cart but which doesn't work on the damn Wiii3 anyway. (edit: and neither do the controllers! what the hell, Qi Sheng Long.)
the 69 in 1 obviously doesnt work on the Wiii3 either (I was hoping it would, ah well) but it does work on my Power Joy Supermax, to an extent (the Supermax is OneBus based but its only VT02, so about half the games don't start or have glitched graphics). so I guess it would probably run on the NEX too.- Title: Interesting VT03 documentation
Post by: Awesome Panda on September 23, 2011, 02:13:17 PM- Updating this thread some more, I recently saw this series of videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6sWSYh5l1E) showing off a Korean Famiclone that has an almost identical menu system to the one that the 105-in-1 uses. What's kind of odd though is that the menu theme is actually taken from Metal Force by Open. I'm guessing that the composer for that game was involved with the menu design in some way or another. :huh: