- Barver
- Mar 29 2011, 02:26:28 AM
Yes, Barver's showing off :P I probably could have taken a better pic, or even separate pics of all games for each console, but this gets the point across, and I was lazy!
Put as a spoiler since it stretches the forum tables a bit.Spoiler: click to toggle
Still trying to reach 100 games, maybe someday this year =p
[/quote]Whats that one with that weird sonic with those sun glasses or completely black eyes for the gameboy. what rom does it hold- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Barver on April 11, 2011, 07:49:19 PM- It's not dumped yet, it's a sidescroller with 5 levels. It's from Sintax, which automatically makes it shit :) But it's still a curiosity. If I ever find a second copy I'll definitely try to give it to someone who can dump it.
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Post by: ThunderBlastMan on April 28, 2011, 07:45:22 PM
- Barver
- Apr 11 2011, 07:49:19 PM
It's not dumped yet, it's a sidescroller with 5 levels. It's from Sintax, which automatically makes it shit :) But it's still a curiosity. If I ever find a second copy I'll definitely try to give it to someone who can dump it.[/quote]um do you mind giving some screenshots of the game ( you do not have to) this can be very exclusive on sonicretro fourms
also where did you find sonic jam 6 plus how are pirates named some are named by box and on screen title- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Barver on April 28, 2011, 09:47:01 PM- I don't have a good camera, I've tried taking pics with my cellphone before and they turned out very horrible, it's just not worth it until I get a better camera. I only got to borrow a good camera for a little bit, which is when i took the collection pic. And no offense, but with how strict Sonic Retro is, I somehow doubt you've ever passed their validation process =p
Sonic Jam 6 came from a friend in Taiwan. As far as pirates names go, I'm not sure why you'd ask me. There's clearly no logic behind why titles differ from the box and actual game. I'd actually be pretty surprised if someone were able to give us a reason why lol.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: MLX on August 18, 2011, 08:00:51 AM- Bump, "just" completed my Ge De Industry collection (not counting AV Jiu, no idea for this one).
(http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/5064/dscf5069zj.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/dscf5069zj.jpg/)
PCBs: (AVBGF not pictured, I can't open a Thai cart without breaking it).
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2824/dscf5067.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/233/dscf5067.jpg/)
(http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/7286/dscf5068i.th.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/198/dscf5068i.jpg/)
From left to right - top to bottom:
JKXZ, JKXZ (PAL B PUSH D), SFIV, Kart Fighter (88-1 chip), Somari, Garou Special. ((SF2 and MF6 on bottom))
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Post by: Veemon on August 18, 2011, 08:38:41 PM- Damn those are some nice collections! Oh btw Barver, any luck on pictures of Super Sonik yet? Or perhaps any other copies appeared so that it can get dumped?
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Post by: taizou on August 18, 2011, 08:51:21 PM- I'm guessing since it's a Sintax game it'll be hard to dump properly. But if anyone can figure these damn things out let me know, I'm still looking to dump/get someone else to dump all my unlicensed GBC games.
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Post by: Veemon on August 19, 2011, 03:49:42 AM- So how come Sintex and GBC games are hard to dump properly? They break easily? Btw what unlicensed GBC games do you have? Just curious...
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Post by: Awesome Panda on August 19, 2011, 05:31:02 AM
- Veemon
- Aug 19 2011, 03:49:42 AM
So how come Sintex and GBC games are hard to dump properly? They break easily?[/quote]No, they have copy protection which has to be cracked for the ROM to work.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: taizou on August 19, 2011, 11:48:58 AM
- Veemon
- Aug 19 2011, 03:49:42 AM
Btw what unlicensed GBC games do you have? Just curious...[/quote]Probably forgetting some here but.. Super Fighter 2001 Alpha, Queen of Fighters 2000, this 12 in 1 (http://bootleggames.wikia.com/wiki/Silver_Version_12_in_1) with a bunch of undumped V.Fame games, Final Fantaxy IX, Harry Boy IV, Lord of the Rings 2, Lord of the Rings 3, Shaoling Legend, Pokemon Saphire... And a few Yong Yong games (three on a multi and one on a single cart)- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Awesome Panda on August 19, 2011, 11:55:52 AM
- taizou
- Aug 19 2011, 11:48:58 AM
And a few Yong Yong games (three on a multi and one on a single cart)[/quote]I'm guessing you got those by accident. :P- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: taizou on August 19, 2011, 12:29:30 PM- lol. yes, yes I did.
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Post by: Veemon on August 19, 2011, 05:30:58 PM
- Cheetahmen
- Aug 19 2011, 05:31:02 AM
- Veemon
- Aug 19 2011, 03:49:42 AM
So how come Sintex and GBC games are hard to dump properly? They break easily?[/quote]No, they have copy protection which has to be cracked for the ROM to work.[/quote]Pirates have copy protection? Seems a bit ironic doesn't it? :lol: "DON'T ILLEGALLY COPY OUR ILLEGALLY COPIED GAMES!!" So then, how does one crack these things?
Btw Taizou, what exactly are Harry Boy IV and Final Fantasy IX about?- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: taizou on August 19, 2011, 05:59:43 PM
- Veemon
- Aug 19 2011, 05:30:58 PM
Pirates have copy protection? Seems a bit ironic doesn't it? :lol: "DON'T ILLEGALLY COPY OUR ILLEGALLY COPIED GAMES!!" So then, how does one crack these things?[/quote]Well it makes sense, if theyre selling their games in a country where everything is pirated anyway, they don't want other pirates pirating their pirates. And I have no idea how to crack them, that's kinda the problem O:
- Veemon
I have a video of FFIX here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWkv36Ls4ik (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWkv36Ls4ik)
Harry Boy IV is basically the dumped GBC Harry Potter platform game with different levels.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Pepper-98 on August 19, 2011, 06:59:27 PM
- Veemon
- Aug 19 2011, 05:30:58 PM
Pirates have copy protection? Seems a bit ironic doesn't it? :lol: "DON'T ILLEGALLY COPY OUR ILLEGALLY COPIED GAMES!!"[/quote]It's basically a free-for-all over there. You have bootleg companies ripping off other bootleg companies constantly. Vast Fame's had at least two of their games bootlegged by two other companies, with one of those games being a bootleg of the Digimon series.
BTW, regarding the image in Barver's first post in this thread, what's that Vast Fame game to the left of San Goku Shi: Aoshi Tianjia? I don't recognize that one...- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: codeman38 on August 19, 2011, 09:42:49 PM
- Qiezei
- Aug 19 2011, 06:59:27 PM
BTW, regarding the image in Barver's first post in this thread, what's that Vast Fame game to the left of San Goku Shi: Aoshi Tianjia? I don't recognize that one...[/quote]That'd be Queen of Fighters 2000, which is as awesome as all of VFame's other fighters.
Here's video of it: http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm8884207 (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm8884207)- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Barver on August 19, 2011, 09:45:24 PM- Have several more things added to my collection since this post, like DKC2 for FC or Bomboy for MD(which I'll probably send for dumping someday), It's been getting very slow in obtaining anything though these days :X
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Post by: Veemon on August 20, 2011, 01:47:27 AM
- taizou
- Aug 19 2011, 05:59:43 PM
And I have no idea how to crack them, that's kinda the problem O:
[/quote]So do normal GBC games have those things in them as well? And as for FFIX, so it's a Final Fantasy beat'em up? OK...
@ Taizou and Qiezei: So it's basically pirates vs. pirates huh? So in those countries, can one buy these games easily? Like they're sold in video game stores? Btw is there any Japanese pirate companies? Or not so much?- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Pepper-98 on August 20, 2011, 09:52:53 AM
- Veemon
- Aug 20 2011, 01:47:27 AM
@ Taizou and Qiezei: So it's basically pirates vs. pirates huh? So in those countries, can one buy these games easily? Like they're sold in video game stores? Btw is there any Japanese pirate companies? Or not so much?[/quote]I've heard that they don't really sell old stuff like Famicom games in stores anymore, but I can't confirm that. You can find that stuff online rather easy, though the game itself can affect how rare it is. Some of them, like the undumped games, can be very hard to find (Super Mario World 64 being an example) while games that have been dumped like Shui Hu Shen Shou (Vast Fame) are easy to find copies of because most of them are cheap generic bootlegs of the dumped ROM. Reigon is also of importance, as stuff by companies from China are easier to find in, well, China, while the same applies to Taiwanese games. That's why you can find original Vast Fame stuff over on Ruten while it's almost barren over on Taobao (excluding the occasional third-party published games).
I don't know about there being pirate companies in Japan, but there are two unlicensed companies: Hacker International and Happy Soft. I kinda figured that Japan's laws would've kept out a lot of bootleggers.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Awesome Panda on August 20, 2011, 10:18:47 AM
- Qiezei
- Aug 20 2011, 09:52:53 AM
I don't know about there being pirate companies in Japan, but there are two unlicensed companies: Hacker International and Happy Soft. I kinda figured that Japan's laws would've kept out a lot of bootleggers.[/quote]There's a fair few others that developed stuff for the Famicom Disk System, but I'd best not go into detail about that. :X
Anyway, I think unless you live in certain parts of the Far East, pirates are hard to come by IRL. That said, I found a 30-in-1 multicart for the Game Boy in my hometown. cool:- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: KingPepe on August 20, 2011, 10:29:31 AM
- Qiezei
- Aug 20 2011, 09:52:53 AM
I've heard that they don't really sell old stuff like Famicom games in stores anymore, but I can't confirm that. [/quote]Actually, there are a couple of places that still do apparently. Not sure which but my friend who was in Japan at the time sent me 2 FC carts and a GB cart over.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Veemon on August 20, 2011, 04:09:09 PM
- Cheetahmen
- Aug 20 2011, 10:18:47 AM
Anyway, I think unless you live in certain parts of the Far East, pirates are hard to come by IRL. That said, I found a 30-in-1 multicart for the Game Boy in my hometown. cool:[/quote]Yeah pretty much the only place you'll find them in good quantity is in Asia or South America. Although of course there's always a few that turn up in flea markets and stores like Goodwill. I should check out some flea markets some time to see if I can find any treasure lol.
@Qiezei: Yeah I didn't think there'd be many pirate companies from Japan, considering that there's just a lot of legit companies from there like Nintendo and such. I'd say making a Pokemon pirate there probably would work. :D But then why are some games rarer then others? Did some companies make less copies then others? Btw what is Super Mario World 64 like?- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: taizou on August 20, 2011, 04:27:17 PM
- Veemon
People who've been to China or Taiwan recently always seem to find less places selling pirates than they'd imagine though. Online PC gaming is really big in Asia now. apparently in China in the big cities people who do play console games mostly have moved on from Famiclones and they tend to just play pirated games on PS2s or later consoles, its only people in poorer areas who still play Famiclones. So I've heard anyway.
- Veemon
Yeah, some games were only produced in small numbers - usually the most common games are the ones that were cracked and pirated by other companies though. like Hummer's Aladdin and Tekken are everywhere, both hacked to run on MMC3 with some content removed. but that never happened with SMW and DKC4 so the only carts you can find of those are the JY originals.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Pepper-98 on August 20, 2011, 04:33:09 PM
- Veemon
- Aug 20 2011, 04:09:09 PM
@Qiezei: Yeah I didn't think there'd be many pirate companies from Japan, considering that there's just a lot of legit companies from there like Nintendo and such. I'd say making a Pokemon pirate there probably would work. :D But then why are some games rarer then others? Did some companies make less copies then others? Btw what is Super Mario World 64 like?[/quote]Like I said, some are common because many generic bootleggers just stuff the dumped ROM into a cartridge, and some of the rarer ones I guess either had a limited run or they're restricted to certain, obscure areas, making them rare. I can't really confirm the reasons, but they are rare.Nevermind, Taizou gave a better explanation.
As for SMW64, you can see a video on Youtube of the game here. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6pa56nkzC4) I did a video of the game (and have a copy of it), but I didn't get as far. There should be some videos of the game on Nico Nico Douga as well, if I remember correctly.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Awesome Panda on August 20, 2011, 04:59:55 PM
- taizou
- Aug 20 2011, 04:27:17 PM
- Veemon
Yeah, some games were only produced in small numbers - usually the most common games are the ones that were cracked and pirated by other companies though. like Hummer's Aladdin and Tekken are everywhere, both hacked to run on MMC3 with some content removed. but that never happened with SMW and DKC4 so the only carts you can find of those are the JY originals.[/quote]Same goes for Somari and Sonic 3D Blast 5, with the latter being somewhat common on newer multicarts. Also worth pointing out that there's one variation of the MMC3 conversions of Aladdin that (I think) has all of the content from the original version.
BTW, how come they never did MMC3 conversions of SMW and DKC4 anyway? :huh:- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: taizou on August 20, 2011, 05:10:01 PM- Dunno, just no one ever bothered to hack them. Most JY games were never pirated elsewhere really, only a few of them ever got hacked. Maybe the way they used JY's mapper it wasn't easy to convert them to something more common.
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Post by: Awesome Panda on August 20, 2011, 05:25:57 PM
- taizou
- Aug 20 2011, 05:10:01 PM
Dunno, just no one ever bothered to hack them. Most JY games were never pirated elsewhere really, only a few of them ever got hacked. Maybe the way they used JY's mapper it wasn't easy to convert them to something more common.[/quote]I dunno, I recall CaH4e3 saying that it's easy to hack other mappers into the JY ones. If that's the case, then wouldn't it work the other way round?- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: taizou on August 20, 2011, 05:44:28 PM- from what I recall the JY mapper is pretty versatile, so it's easy to get other games running on it but not vice versa.
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Post by: MLX on August 20, 2011, 06:57:24 PM- I think I read someone from NesDev or Digital Press that he tried but the games had "traps" or security. Aladdin original PCB was manufactured with EPROMs instead of usual globtop. Then it was easy for pirates to dump the PRG and CHR, hack it to make it work with their mapper.
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Post by: Veemon on August 20, 2011, 09:33:23 PM
- taizou
- Aug 20 2011, 04:27:17 PM
they're pretty common in Russia and Eastern Europe too. Japan is one of the only places in Asia you probably won't find them, they have a lot tighter enforcement of copyright laws over there. A few might slip through the net every so often and there are tons of famiclones with built-in hacks but thats about it - it's about the same as North America and Western Europe in that regard I think, you might occasionally find one but they aren't sold en masse.
People who've been to China or Taiwan recently always seem to find less places selling pirates than they'd imagine though. Online PC gaming is really big in Asia now. apparently in China in the big cities people who do play console games mostly have moved on from Famiclones and they tend to just play pirated games on PS2s or later consoles, its only people in poorer areas who still play Famiclones. So I've heard anyway. .[/quote]I yeah I forgot about Russia, But you know I didn't know there was pirates for PS2 and such, do we know what some of them are? Anything worth while?
@Qiezei: I watched the video of Super Mario World 64, so I assume that the game is basically a port of SMW to Genesis huh? One thing funny I noticed is that the game reuses music from the Tale Spin game on MD.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Pepper-98 on August 20, 2011, 09:48:20 PM
- Veemon
- Aug 20 2011, 09:33:23 PM
@Qiezei: I watched the video of Super Mario World 64, so I assume that the game is basically a port of SMW to Genesis huh? One thing funny I noticed is that the game reuses music from the Tale Spin game on MD.[/quote]It's intended to be a port, but after the two or three levels they basically did their own thing for the rest of the game. It also re-uses music from Super Battletank in the castle level and for the ice level it uses, I swear to god, the Jeopardy theme. Oh, and you may not notice it, but the controls aren't very good. Think Yong Yong controls, except you can't press the reverse direction to stop. And the second level has one swinging platform that, unless you can land on the small 16x16 center block, you're literally making blind jumps and praying you land on it.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Veemon on August 20, 2011, 09:55:31 PM- Oh kinda like the Mario Bros Squirrel King hack by whatever the company's name was? The Chip n' Dale based one also on MD...But oh gosh I know Yong-Yong's terrible control method all to well...I've won both Sonic Adventure 7 and Pokemon. (With lots of savestates of course.) Well at least with this one you can stop it if you press the reverse direction. Has anyone won this game yet btw?
Also, Jeopardy music in Mario? lolwat?- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: taizou on August 20, 2011, 09:57:45 PM
- Veemon
- Aug 20 2011, 09:33:23 PM
But you know I didn't know there was pirates for PS2 and such, do we know what some of them are? Anything worth while?[/quote]I mean just pirate copies of legit games. I don't think there are any pirate originals or hacks or anything.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Veemon on August 20, 2011, 11:12:54 PM- Oh OK like that kind of pirate. One question though, so does a pirate copy of a legit game mean that it wasn't originally licensed in that region, like a game from the US or Japan that wasn't released there, so they made an unofficial release of the game there?
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Post by: Pepper-98 on August 20, 2011, 11:31:57 PM
- Veemon
- Aug 20 2011, 11:12:54 PM
Oh OK like that kind of pirate. One question though, so does a pirate copy of a legit game mean that it wasn't originally licensed in that region, like a game from the US or Japan that wasn't released there, so they made an unofficial release of the game there? [/quote]Not necessarily. It is in certain cases like Mega Bomberman because it wasn't "officially" released in Asia on the Megadrive, to my knowledge. Usually it's just the bootleggers trying to make a profit off of the game by tricking people to buy their pirated version.- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: codeman38 on August 21, 2011, 01:08:13 AM
- Qiezei
- Aug 20 2011, 09:48:20 PM
It also re-uses music from Super Battletank in the castle level and for the ice level it uses, I swear to god, the Jeopardy theme.[/quote]For those wanting proof of the Jeopardy thing, because it's so utterly ridiculous-- here's the relevant clip from NicoVideo, linked via Hatena to eliminate that annoying registration thing:
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm2719837 (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm2719837)
(And yes, that is indeed stolen from the official Jeopardy game for Sega Genesis.)
Edit: While we're at it, if I may take the thread a bit off topic, anyone know what game this tune from SMW64 is stolen from? It's obviously stolen, but from where, I'd love to know, because it's quite catchy.
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm2731547 (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm2731547)- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Veemon on August 21, 2011, 02:16:25 AM
- Qiezei
- Aug 20 2011, 11:31:57 PM
Not necessarily. It is in certain cases like Mega Bomberman because it wasn't "officially" released in Asia on the Megadrive, to my knowledge. Usually it's just the bootleggers trying to make a profit off of the game by tricking people to buy their pirated version.[/quote]Oh yeah, it's kinda the same strategy as the guys who made Transmorphers. They rely on tricking people to buy it with similar titles. Oh that reminds me about pirate/knock-off movies like that. :lol:
@codeman38: Wow, there is indeed Jeopardy music in SMW64, never thought I'd see that. But as for the other song, uhhhhhh, damn I don't know. But judging by the sound engine and the way it sounds, it's differently not Konami, or Sega. It's probably a third-party game, although it's not Vectorman, I know that for sure. It might, might be a Disney game, other then that I don't know...- Title: Pic of my collection so far
Post by: Awesome Panda on August 21, 2011, 05:57:12 AM
- codeman38
- Aug 21 2011, 01:08:13 AM
Edit: While we're at it, if I may take the thread a bit off topic, anyone know what game this tune from SMW64 is stolen from? It's obviously stolen, but from where, I'd love to know, because it's quite catchy.
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm2731547 (http://d.hatena.ne.jp/video/niconico/sm2731547)[/quote]I'm guessing it's from a game before 1993, given that the rest of the sources are. I don't think that helps much, but whatever. :unsure:
Edit: Oh, and another thing I just found is that all of those games are 512k. :huh: