- Cheetahmen
- Sep 20 2010, 12:49:41 PM
One thing that I find odd is that Bao Qing Tian was published by NT as "Justice Pao" (gotta love their crazy cartridge arts :P ) so would that mean that some members of Sachen were connected with NT at one point? Also, if Tchackvosky is meant to be named after Tchaickovsky then would that mean he did the programming and music for the games he's credited in?[/quote]Oh, Bao Qing Tian is definitely an official NT release. Their logo is on the title screen. :lol:
But yeah, there definitely seems to be some sort of weird Sachen-NT connection, between this and the fact that Ei-How Yang, formerly of Sachen, is explicitly credited on some games made by NT.
And I'd always assumed that Tchacvosky was both a music and game programmer, but maybe I'm totally off track.- Title: The Dragon / Chu Da D music reuse
Post by: taizou on September 20, 2010, 01:58:51 PM
- MLX
- Sep 20 2010, 04:03:08 AM
Also do not forget that there are 90% of chance that The dragon was developped by EHY. So Chu Da D could have been programmed by him too.[/quote]i dunno, i don't think Yang programmed either of those games - IMO there were probably two or more programmers working with the same development team, Yang was one of them, maybe the other was Wu Zhenhong (see Bao Qing Tian). you can really tell the difference in physics between, say, Super Donkey Kong (by Yang) and Panda Prince or Super Donkey Kong 2 (by someone else) even though there are similarities in things like sounds/graphics/fonts etc.
- codeman38
yeah, he seems to have been both a programmer and a musician - Mahjong Academy has credits on the title screen and hes credited for design and music, the only other person listed is Shyh-Dwo Maa for "Artist". Tchacvosky seems to have been involved with most of the SA series, and Amadeus Wang and the rest are mostly credited on the TC series, so I guess Sachen had two mostly separate development teams at that point.. and it was the TC side (plus Yang, who was mostly a gameboy programmer) that ended up developing all this other shit, probably after leaving Sachen.- Title: The Dragon / Chu Da D music reuse
Post by: taizou on October 28, 2010, 11:42:39 PM- just noticed this in Toy Story. "U.L. Wang" is credited for "music design", which I guess is Wang Yueli/Amadeus Wang (probably) so the end credits must be at least partially real. but theres no mention of Ei-How Yang himself, or even anyone with the surname Yang, even though he's credited at the start. which is kinda weird. theres also no one matching "W.C.W.", but i suppose that could be the Chinese name of Tom Wang or something.
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Post by: MLX on October 29, 2010, 03:13:32 AM- Mickey and DKL2 physics are also similar not only the sound/font/sounds, the way they jump are similar, the scrolling has the same glitches.
But if we say that Yang didn't programmed the Mickey v2 engine, then what did he done except Toy Story in 1997 ?
And about Panda Prince, the engine is sure is different but that doesn't mean it wasn't programmed by EHY. Remember that Hummer Team used different engines for each of their platformers (except Aladdin/Somari).- Title: The Dragon / Chu Da D music reuse
Post by: Awesome Panda on October 29, 2010, 05:45:58 AM- Looking at a couple of their endings, Little Fat Yang is credited for artistic design in Mickey Mania 7 while L. Fat Wang is credited for the same in Toy Story. I they're the same person. Between those games, there's Sammy Lee and Mindy Lee credited for program design, (I'm guessing one of those names are made up) there's David Chen and L.S. Chen for the same thing, the music designer seems to be different in both games (U.O. Lee in MM7, U.L. Wang in TS) and while Lee Dan Fai was a programmer in MM7, he was the director of TS.
BTW, can anyone translate the credits in Bao Qing Tian? I suspect that's by EHY as well.- Title: The Dragon / Chu Da D music reuse
Post by: codeman38 on October 29, 2010, 08:49:44 AM
- Cheetahmen
- Oct 29 2010, 05:45:58 AM
BTW, can anyone translate the credits in Bao Qing Tian? I suspect that's by EHY as well.[/quote]taizou did that here (http://s4.zetaboards.com/PGC_Forums?topic=7976972/1/#new). The only Yang listed in the credits is Yang Wenguang.- Title: The Dragon / Chu Da D music reuse
Post by: Awesome Panda on October 29, 2010, 09:33:49 AM- I don't know much about Chinese names but looking at that list, I'm guessing that Copyright Yang from Mickey Mania 7 is probably Yang Wenguang, L. Fat Wang (LOL at the name) from Toy Story is Wang Nianzhen and U.L. Wang is probably Wang Yueli.
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Post by: taizou on October 29, 2010, 11:50:28 AM
- MLX
- Oct 29 2010, 03:13:32 AM
Mickey and DKL2 physics are also similar not only the sound/font/sounds, the way they jump are similar, the scrolling has the same glitches.
But if we say that Yang didn't programmed the Mickey v2 engine, then what did he done except Toy Story in 1997 ?
And about Panda Prince, the engine is sure is different but that doesn't mean it wasn't programmed by EHY. Remember that Hummer Team used different engines for each of their platformers (except Aladdin/Somari).[/quote]in Panda Prince & SDK2 jumping and general movement is much smoother than in Mickey Mania & SDK1 though. in Mickey & SDK1 its quite slow, and if you hold the jump button down the character keeps jumping, which is quite unusual. same in Toy Story. but Panda Prince is 1996 and Toy Story is 1997, so if both games were by EHY that'd mean he improved the physics for Panda but went back to his old shitty version for Toy Story the next year. which wouldnt make much sense. plus that'd mean he programmed at least two separate Donkey Kong engines.
- Cheetahmen
could be the same musician.. maybe Yueli = Uo Lee. its not too much of a stretch to get from Yue to Uo I think.
& Lee Dan Fai was the president of Taiwan. :D its an alternate romanisation of Lee Teng-hui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Teng-hui) apparently.
- Cheetahmen
could be Ei-How Yang too I suppose.
& if L.Fat Wang is the same person as Little Fat Yang, that'd make him Little Fat Wang. best name ever.- Title: The Dragon / Chu Da D music reuse
Post by: MLX on October 29, 2010, 02:11:53 PM- Panda Prince jumping is faster but harder to get the charcater to land where we want. While in both Mickey and SKD2, it's easier.
Also if I calculate the submit year of MM7 and SDK, then Yang didn't do much stuff during a long time.
MM7 was submitted in May 1996 while SDK was sent during late December 1996. SDK wouldn't have taken that much time to develop since it use an already done engine and there are 5 levels less than MM7.- Title: The Dragon / Chu Da D music reuse
Post by: Awesome Panda on October 29, 2010, 02:58:53 PM
- taizou
- Oct 29 2010, 11:50:28 AM
& Lee Dan Fai was the president of Taiwan. :D its an alternate romanisation of Lee Teng-hui (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Teng-hui) apparently.[/quote]Yeah, but there's nothing to say that he didn't have the same name. I'm assuming either it's a jab at the Taiwanese government or he happens to have the same name.- Title: The Dragon / Chu Da D music reuse
Post by: codeman38 on December 18, 2010, 12:45:44 PM- I just discovered that the music in Sachen's "Street Rider" for GB is credited to a "Wang Yuen Lii", according to the GBS rip. Which I'm guessing is probably an alternate romanization of Wang Yue-Li... and which further suggests that this is probably the same person as Amadeus Wang, or at the very least, had a Sachen connection.
Edit: OK, definitely the same guy-- the GBS is a typo. It's spelled as "Wang Yueh Lii" in the ROM.
Interestingly, Ma Shyh-Dwo is credited as "artist" in this game. And the "scheme" is credited to someone known only as "LC" (LC Tchacvosky?). Does this mean the two Sachen dev teams worked together while Sachen was still Commin, perhaps?
Looking at various Sachen games, I notice that Amadeus sometimes has a middle initial of "Y" (as in "yue") and sometimes of "L" (as in "li"). Gotta be the same guy...- Title: The Dragon / Chu Da D music reuse
Post by: MLX on December 18, 2010, 01:28:28 PM
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Maybe they were working together for Game Boy stuff. Commin could be the name of that team.