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Bootleg Bazaar / Interesting stuff for sale elsewhere
« on: March 02, 2013, 09:51:53 AM »
- Awesome Panda
- Mar 2 2013, 06:14:10 AM
- fcgamer
- Mar 1 2013, 07:45:04 PM
- RobGBA
- Mar 1 2013, 01:56:06 PM
:O Well, are they any better then those Popstation LCDs?[/quote]The popstation LCDs are what, Tetris clones I think?[/quote]Not really. They're more like poor man's Game & Watches which often come with multiple games you can switch between by manually replacing the screen. (A method that frequently doesn't work if Ashens' videos are any indication) Most of them come with a godawful Street Fighter clone and a football/soccer game as well.[/quote]Oh I know the ones AShen reviews, didn't realize those were Popstations though. I have something sort of like that, but never played for more than 2 minutes so I really can't comment on it versus the older Sineca stuff.
The older Sineca stuff would be like the Game and Watches, old Tiger handhelds from the 90s, etc. One game per pack, can't change teh screen, loosely based off of popular franchises.
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Bootleg Bazaar / Interesting stuff for sale elsewhere
« on: March 01, 2013, 07:45:04 PM »
- RobGBA
- Mar 1 2013, 01:56:06 PM
:O Well, are they any better then those Popstation LCDs?[/quote]The popstation LCDs are what, Tetris clones I think?
The modern Sineca stuff is all brick games / Tetris clones, from what I have seen. The old Sineca stuff were LCD games, although not tetris or brick of any kind. Actual LCD games roughly based off of the series from which they were stolen.
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Bootleg Bazaar / Interesting stuff for sale elsewhere
« on: March 01, 2013, 12:38:22 AM »
- Picrodus
- Feb 28 2013, 10:00:37 PM
- fcgamer
- Feb 28 2013, 12:50:19 PM
I have a Rockman-based Sineca handheld for sale, CIB, and used to own a Bubble Bobble one. Saw a few other Sineca handhelds, maybe a Gundam one, maybe something else, can't remember for sure 100%. Definitely seems unlicensed to me, at least some of the titles.[/quote]The Rockman one you have, is it a brick game like RobGBA was talking about?[/quote]No, it is an LCD game much like the ones Tiger had made in the early 1990s, only much larger in size. That is how the Bubble Bobble one was as well. Different game, not just Tetris knock-offs.
The Sineca games posted in those links look to be newer models. The old models, like the ones I had, came in fat cardboard boxes.
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Discussion Center / Complaint Part 2
« on: February 28, 2013, 08:56:15 PM »
- Qiezei
- Feb 28 2013, 05:50:24 PM
I've been watching auctions on Taiwanese sites for a while now, and they have almost never gone up to a huge amount. I"m not pulling numbers out of my ass, I"m using actual examples I've seen (and bought.) There's several non-collectors who sell games on the internet as a job, but apparently that large group of retailers doesn't apply according to your forced economic logic. I've sold expensive stuff for far cheaper than they're worth; just because it's retailed at something doesn't mean that it's always worth that much or that people will buy it.
The only people who would take offense to me generalizing them like that would be the people it applies to (which I guess is you judging by your responses.) By the way, look who's talking when it comes to frustrations; I wasn't the one who started up the argument by being all "Sigh, you people disappoint me" after my post and I wasn't the one who made two fucking topics just to bitch about it, and I haven't made every post of mine several giant paragraphs.
I've been done since this thread got started up, but you won't just let the subject die because apparently you take this all personally. Hopefully someone will lock this so this can just die already.[/quote]Apparently I have something more to say on this one.
Qiezei, you are basing the value of games on the price they are selling in a primarily non-collector's market. While there are some game collectors in Taiwan, there are not nearly as many as in other parts, if for no other reason, Taiwan is a small place. Not everyone is going to know how to bid on stuff from a place like Ruten, Taiwan Yahoo, etc, and not everyone is going to be willing to try having goods shipped to them from Taiwan. So to say that all games are worth the ending price on those websites is just being a bit rediculous, to be honest. Yes, they may be worth that much to a Taiwanese non-collector, but collectors will always be willing to pay more. As I said before, apples to oranges.
I've cut collectors mega deals before, sometimes selling items for much less than their value, just because I want to pass on a good deal or am feeling nice, or whatever. But just because I bought something at $2, sold it for $10, when the last copy sold for $200, doesn't mean that the value is now only worth $10.
We will just have to agree to disagree on this one, I think. But the two situations are totally different, and it really isn't fair to be comparing two unrelated markets.
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Bootleg Bazaar / Interesting stuff for sale elsewhere
« on: February 28, 2013, 12:50:19 PM »
I have a Rockman-based Sineca handheld for sale, CIB, and used to own a Bubble Bobble one. Saw a few other Sineca handhelds, maybe a Gundam one, maybe something else, can't remember for sure 100%. Definitely seems unlicensed to me, at least some of the titles.
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Discussion Center / Complaint Part 2
« on: February 28, 2013, 12:48:12 PM »
- Qiezei
- Feb 28 2013, 09:15:47 AM
They weren't all aimed directly at you and you're the one who's continuing to rant about this long afterwards. When I said "many of the people who collect them only do so for bragging rights" it wasn't aimed at you. You seem to take this collector stuff way too personally, judging by your several-paragraph posts explaining your collector hobby.
(By the way, you thinking that $100 was a reasonable price is looks to be wrong, according to Yahoo.[/quote]1 bid (I guess that is your proxy), 8 days to go, easily could get much higher than 500 NT bucks. I'm done with this, tired of arguing, but the fact is, to westerners the games are worth more than $10 - $30, for the harder to find titles. If not, please sell me your Rocman X for $15.It is all worth what someone is willing to pay; of course one can get it for cheaper in Taiwan, but out of Sachen's 60+ title run, how many of their games have you seen for sale, small boxed? How many collectors are willing to sell them at $15 a pop? One cannot gauge value off of what a non collector charges for the stuff, especially across country like that. That is just silly, and is like comparing apples to pomegranates.
Qiezei, I have nothing against you personally; however, you shouldn't go making generalizations about people, due to your own frustrations. Everyone in the game wishes that he or she could grab stacks full of games for pennies on the dollar, but it just doesn't work that way anymore. Hell, even prices on Ruten are going up thanks to proxy services, such as the kind you use.
Anyway, I am done with this shit, tired of arguing about it. Game prices are rising, unlicensed Famicom games are hard to find, especially boxed, and prices reflect that. That is all.
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Discussion Center / Complaint Part 2
« on: February 27, 2013, 11:11:47 PM »
- RobGBA
- Feb 27 2013, 02:05:26 PM
He never called you names at the start. You were complaining, and you said he had permission to call him names, which he did, as a laugh. Come on, Qiezei even apologized because you got the wrong message across.Just stop this, please.[/quote]If you look back at his original responses (wherever messageboard posts go after they have been removed / deleted / whatever), you will see that he initially called me out and made generalizations, basically stating that I was just a reseller and someone who collected the games for the wrong reasons, namely to post pics on the web and stroke my ego. And this all came about simply because I disagreed with his thought that just because one or two common games go for price A, all games in that same series (including ones that never turned up CB before) should go for that price.
People will say whatever they want, but quite frankly, I have done a lot for the "scene" in times past, primarily focusing with NES stuff, unlicensed NES stuff to be exact, but I got an unreleased SNES game out there, had some protos dumped, and spent literally 100s of hours researching stuff. So to label me as a reseller, insincere with my reasons for collecting, etc, is just a bit harsh and simply not the truth, and to that, anyone in a similar situation would rightfully take offense.
And finally, no, I was not the one complaining. It seems to me he was complaining about the price of how someone else listed an item.
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Discussion Center / Complaint Part 2
« on: February 27, 2013, 06:29:20 AM »
- Awesome Panda
- Feb 27 2013, 05:49:00 AM
Fine, I'll reopen it.
I think it was a bit stupid of me to get involved in an issue with which I had little involvement in, and while I disagree with fcgamer I understand that it's his business to price his own goods.[/quote]I was not even the seller of the item in question, just to make people aware of that, and I still don't feel it was necessary to call me names and say that I am not a true collector or whatever it was, just because I said that the seller's items were, imo, at a decent price.
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Discussion Center / Complaint Part 2
« on: February 26, 2013, 03:18:22 PM »
Mods go ahead and lock this one if you want, but I was in the middle of typing a response when the last thread was locked. Anyway:
1) Everyone can have his or her opinon as to the value of an item; with that said, however, how can a value be placed on an item that has never been up for sale before? To muddy the waters even more, how can one bitch about prices but then do the exact same thing when selling to others? I don't sell my extra copies of Sachen games (with few exceptions) for $15 because I would rather have it in my collection than sell it for a song, just so that the new buyer will then turn around and resell it down the road for a mint. Many of the games are extremely rare (I have seen enough by now to know which are rare and which are more common), and prices generally reflect this. It is hypocritcal to complain about the prices, but then to sell for the same price yourself. The fact is that Taiwanese do not give a shit about the old gams, but western gamers do. Hence why you can sometimes find games on ruten and places for cheaper prices. But at the end of the day, the vast majority of these games haven't been for sale anywhere, and therefore how can a price be put on something that was never for sale before? How can a copy of game xx be equal to a Taiwan Mahjong 16, which one can buy day and night, daily? It just doesn't make sense, at all.
2) As I said before, I helped an unreleased SNES game (licensed at that) see the light of day, have done tons of countless research during the early days of NES collecting, have been collecting games for about 14 or 15 years. No one even knows what all I have in my collection, probably I don't even know either. This sure sounds like someone who just cares about waving his e-penis around. Whether those comments were just made in haste or not, I really don't know, but quite frankly, they were out of line. I may not have contributed to the wiki physically (though some of the pics I took ended up on the wiki without me even being notified...), but that doesn't mean that I don't know something about these games. With that said though, when people start pointing fingers and acting disrespectful towards me, accusing me of this and that, it just doesn't make me want to share any of the stuff I know in regards to said topics.
That's it. I'm done for the night. Feel free to bitch at me while I am away, feel free to ban me if you are pissed off at me enough (though quite frankly, you guys would be doing the community a disservice by doing this, as I have a lot of knowledge regarding this stuff), feel free to lock this up and pretend the whole thing never happened, feel free to sell me some Sachen gams at $50 a pop, feel free to eat popcorn. No matter what the case may be, I am off for now. See you tomorrow.
1) Everyone can have his or her opinon as to the value of an item; with that said, however, how can a value be placed on an item that has never been up for sale before? To muddy the waters even more, how can one bitch about prices but then do the exact same thing when selling to others? I don't sell my extra copies of Sachen games (with few exceptions) for $15 because I would rather have it in my collection than sell it for a song, just so that the new buyer will then turn around and resell it down the road for a mint. Many of the games are extremely rare (I have seen enough by now to know which are rare and which are more common), and prices generally reflect this. It is hypocritcal to complain about the prices, but then to sell for the same price yourself. The fact is that Taiwanese do not give a shit about the old gams, but western gamers do. Hence why you can sometimes find games on ruten and places for cheaper prices. But at the end of the day, the vast majority of these games haven't been for sale anywhere, and therefore how can a price be put on something that was never for sale before? How can a copy of game xx be equal to a Taiwan Mahjong 16, which one can buy day and night, daily? It just doesn't make sense, at all.
2) As I said before, I helped an unreleased SNES game (licensed at that) see the light of day, have done tons of countless research during the early days of NES collecting, have been collecting games for about 14 or 15 years. No one even knows what all I have in my collection, probably I don't even know either. This sure sounds like someone who just cares about waving his e-penis around. Whether those comments were just made in haste or not, I really don't know, but quite frankly, they were out of line. I may not have contributed to the wiki physically (though some of the pics I took ended up on the wiki without me even being notified...), but that doesn't mean that I don't know something about these games. With that said though, when people start pointing fingers and acting disrespectful towards me, accusing me of this and that, it just doesn't make me want to share any of the stuff I know in regards to said topics.
That's it. I'm done for the night. Feel free to bitch at me while I am away, feel free to ban me if you are pissed off at me enough (though quite frankly, you guys would be doing the community a disservice by doing this, as I have a lot of knowledge regarding this stuff), feel free to lock this up and pretend the whole thing never happened, feel free to sell me some Sachen gams at $50 a pop, feel free to eat popcorn. No matter what the case may be, I am off for now. See you tomorrow.
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Discussion Center / Complaint
« on: February 26, 2013, 03:01:06 PM »
- Qiezei
- Feb 26 2013, 02:58:15 PM
Louis proposed a price to me privately, I didn't plan on selling it in the first place.
I also just wanna apologize for all of this. It shouldn't have gotten to this, and I hold myself personally responsible for part of it.[/quote]Well it's funny that you weren't going to get rid of it, when you had it listed in a thread (I forget if it was listed as being for sale or for trade). I would assume that this would mean the box was up for grabs, but by the time I messaged you about it, Louis had already sent you a message and got it. Now maybe I am just thinking a bit too much here, but why make a thread about getting rid of the thing, if you were just gonna sell to Louis at his initial request? Maybe that is what happened, it just seems a bit peculiar to me is all.
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Discussion Center / Complaint
« on: February 26, 2013, 02:58:25 PM »
- Awesome Panda
- Feb 26 2013, 02:54:05 PM
- fcgamer
- Feb 26 2013, 02:47:45 PM
- Awesome Panda
- Feb 26 2013, 02:41:23 PM
- fcgamer
- Feb 26 2013, 02:38:49 PM
Also, just to throw it out there, why don't you ask Qiezei what he sold his copy of Honey Peach for, what price. I am sure it was only for the $15 price he expects these games to sell for...[/quote]Buyers on eBay are mostly brainless imbeciles. That's the only reason these games sell for extortionate amounts in the first place.[/quote]But if the game is truly only worth $15, he would have gladly sold the game for that price, not true? Of course not, otherwise he would have.[/quote]No; as he said, he started the bidding at 99 cents so he would have been fine selling it for any price.
- fcgamer
Thanks for the permission.
When was the last time anyone here saw a small box copy of Silver Eagle for sale? How much did it end for? Please answer.
342Discussion Center / Complaint
« on: February 26, 2013, 02:47:45 PM »
- Awesome Panda
- Feb 26 2013, 02:41:23 PM
- fcgamer
- Feb 26 2013, 02:38:49 PM
Also, just to throw it out there, why don't you ask Qiezei what he sold his copy of Honey Peach for, what price. I am sure it was only for the $15 price he expects these games to sell for...[/quote]Buyers on eBay are mostly brainless imbeciles. That's the only reason these games sell for extortionate amounts in the first place.[/quote]But if the game is truly only worth $15, he would have gladly sold the game for that price, not true? Of course not, otherwise he would have.
You keep making these comments about stupid ebay buyers and whatnot, but what about all of the private sales of games over the course of the past few years? SNES prices are on the rise, same with N64. NES stuff has been up in price for the past, what, several years. And then you talk about people inflating prices. It is not that the prices are being inflated, it is that the market is growing and changing.
In addition, let's propose a scenario. Qiezei is willing to pay $15 a pop for Sachen games; I am willing to pay $30 a pop for titles which I do not own. Who does the seller sell the game to? You can call me an idiot all you want for paying a few bucks more than him, in the above proposed situation, but the fact is that he will be waiting what, another 5 years to get the opportunity to purchase said game? Also, why don't you ask Qiezei how much he sold the Somari box to Louis for? I can imagine that it was a nice sum of cash, yet both were members of this forum
343Discussion Center / Complaint
« on: February 26, 2013, 02:38:49 PM »
- Awesome Panda
- Feb 26 2013, 02:30:29 PM
- fcgamer
- Feb 26 2013, 02:14:31 PM
Qiezei keeps stating how they are only worth $16 - $20 or whatever. Did you ever consider that perhaps he is wrong?[/quote]I considered it, and then came to the conclusion that he's right. Call me one-sided, but I couldn't give a toss about your pricing games. If I wanted to waste $100 on a game, I wouldn't because I'm not a complete git.[/quote]It ain't my pricing bro, it is games in general. More collectors = higher prices. I remember going into stores like Funcoland and Babbages years ago and purchasing a bag full of games for $20 or $25 USD (I guess you don't have those stores in Britain), but these days stuff like that just doesn't happen. So yeah, it isn't about me pricing games, it is about the price of games in general.
Also, just to throw it out there, why don't you ask Qiezei what he sold his copy of Honey Peach for, what price. I am sure it was only for the $15 price he expects these games to sell for...
Finally, I find it funny that you tell me about breaking the rules ("overinflating" prices when the other guy was underquoting them), yet there isn't a rule against calling people out for being evil resellers and dicks, even when they aren't. Speaking of which, do you even realize that an unreleased SNES game saw the light of day, inpart due to my efforts? Free, no less. Yeah, everyone's welcome for that one
344Discussion Center / Complaint
« on: February 26, 2013, 02:14:31 PM »
- Awesome Panda
- Feb 26 2013, 02:03:10 PM
Well if you read the rules, you'd find this one:
- Quote:
Your prices are massively overinflated as far as I'm concerned. Regardless of that being common in America, it's still scamming and it's against the rules.[/quote]Dude, you are underestimating the value on these things, I am not the one overvaluing them.
Qiezei keeps stating how they are only worth $16 - $20 or whatever. Did you ever consider that perhaps he is wrong? When was the last time he saw a boxed copy of Strategist for sale? How much did it sell for? Yeah, some of the common titles are probably worth around $16 - $25, but how can one honestly say that a hard-to-find title has the same value as a common one? If Qiezei is willing to pay $16 a pop for rare Sachen titles, and I am willing to pay $50 a pop, what is the value of them? Just saying.
Now for a little story. I purchased a copy of the JY multicart (forget what number it is, but the one with Super Mario World on it) for $15. To make a long story short, I could never get it to load up, but it seems to have been a manufacturing defect. Anyway, because I got my copy for $15, does that mean that this is the value of the cart? I could argue the exact same thing that Qiezei is trying to argue, that SMW is worth only $15 for Famicom since that is what I paid for my copy. We all know, though, that it doesn't work that way and the game is easily worth $50 + . This is not trying to be stupid or looking at things via the viewpoint of a man with deep pockets, it is just looking at the prices realistically. Qiezei can point fingers and take God's name in vain and say all he wants, but at the end of the day, those are his opinions. He is not the authority on prices of games, and if he can really get every Sachen game in the catalogue, boxed, for $15, I would love for him to hook me up so I can complete my collection.
345Bootleg Bazaar / Interesting stuff for sale elsewhere
« on: February 26, 2013, 02:04:43 PM »
- Qiezei
- Feb 25 2013, 10:16:54 AM
Oh Jesus Christ come on.
(For reference for those who don't know, boxed Sachen games on Taiwanese sites normally don't go higher than 500-700 TWD, which is around $16 to $24. Note that this is at most, as they're usually cheaper than that.)[/quote]CIB Sachen games usually don't go for more than 500 - 700 NTD, but then again, rarely are any CIB Sachen games found on these sites, other than the common titles such as Mahjong 16. The rarer titles are easily worth $50 - $100 a pop. At the higher end (towards $100), one would not be getting a steal, but considering how hard it is to find the small box releases, it is more than fair.