Generic Wii clone thread

[taizou]

I think I'll start a new thread for this Jungletac business - I found some more stuff, don't wanna take this thread off on too much of a tangent done ~ http://s4.zetaboards.com/PGC_Forums?topic=8284794/btw, back on the subject of Wii clones, heres an odd one:
http://www.dooyoo.de/konsolen/millennium-super-arcade/1393501/
the "Millennium Super Arcade", probably by AtGames since its compatible with Mega Drive games (and I definitely recognise "Mr. Balls" as being an AtGames original, ahem) . has 20 16 bit and 90 8 bit games built in - the review only lists the first few 8-bit games but they include Space Shuttle and Panda Adventure, by ABABsoft.

edit: although its probably worth pointing out that AtGames have *another* motion controlled console (the vaguely Sonic shaped one) which they sometimes claim has 110 games built in.. but it doesn't really. in true pirate tradition they've listed separate levels from the Sega games as separate games.

[KingPepe]

taizou

Jan 1 2011, 03:23:02 PM

only lists the first few 8-bit games but they include Space Shuttle and Panda Adventure, by ABABsoft.[/quote]Holy crap, the ex-Hummer games seem to get around a lot. (And so does pandas)

[taizou]

KingPepe

Jan 1 2011, 09:22:39 PM

Holy crap, the ex-Hummer games seem to get around a lot. (And so does pandas)[/quote]I know! makes me wonder if some ex-hummer person is still out there licensing these things to other companies.. or maybe they just sold them to someone else after they left the games industry. Everyone loves a panda anyway.

& heres another weird one, from the German distributor of some Jungletac consoles among other stuff: http://www.pearl.de/a-NC1459-5953.shtml;jsessionid=jlo42Cb9umbtE8ZuCrd1s
its not exactly a traditional wii clone but the description mentions motion sensitive controllers so it can go in here. i don't think i've seen any of those games before (although "Puzzloop" and "Puzzle Bobble" are in there - they arent even *trying* to disguise this shit). theres a video on that page, a couple of the games actually look 3D, so I guess its a newer one. Pretty cheap though - i'd buy it if shipping to the UK wasn't something like 30 Euros.something I just noticed in the iSports (while I was trying to identify some of the stolen music, without much success. I suspect - unlike Cube's games - a lot of the iSports stuff is just ripped from other games, which probably wouldnt be in SoundHound's database)
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the first two being from the iSports, the latter from the Wow. both Highway Racing and Rally are Road Fighter clones, and they seem to use the same car sprite:
(Highway Racing) (Rally)

BUT then I found this:

which, well, yeah. Should have expected that really. especially from the iSports - the sports games especially are stuffed to the tits with stolen NeoGeo graphics. the boxing game even still says "SNK" in the background (and what looks like "FUCK", but I'm not 100% on that EDIT: actually I just found the stage from Garou: Mark of the Wolves they ripped off, and it's probably "LUCK" really. ahem)

 I'm not sure if its completely a coincidence that both games happened to rip off the *second* car from Thrash Rally rather than any of the others though.

[Awesome Panda]

Looking at a video of that Thrash Rally game, Rally and its cohorts appear to be Road Fighter clones with stolen graphics (and music, and sound effects) more than anything else. Going off-topic for a second, I'm far too poor to own a phone that doesn't suck (and I don't think the one I have would be able to run it) but I somehow doubt Soundhound would be able to identify VGM. (mind you, probably a good idea to test that just to make sure) Besides, I think the music in the former two ripoffs are that Wall of Shame song Codeman38 mentioned earlier.

[taizou]

all three racing games on the iSports use Wall of Shame, but I tried SoundHound on a few of the others and got no matches - to me it sounds like some are direct rips from somewhere else (like Wall of Shame) but others are possibly Waixing's own covers of other games' music (eg the Donkey Kong theme in Mouse Bang and Adventure Island music in Merry Noshery)

edit: but yeah, i'm not suggesting Rally or Highway Racing are Thrash Rally clones gameplay-wise, theyre still entirely Road Fighter based (Highway is closer than Rally though, it even still has Konami Man flying past) - they just steal some graphics from Thrash Rally.

[Awesome Panda]

taizou

Jan 2 2011, 02:25:22 PM

all three racing games on the iSports use Wall of Shame, but I tried SoundHound on a few of the others and got no matches - to me it sounds like some are direct rips from somewhere else (like Wall of Shame) but others are possibly Waixing's own covers of other games' music (eg the Donkey Kong theme in Mouse Bang and Adventure Island music in Merry Noshery)[/quote]I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other songs are stolen, what with sound effects being stolen from Sonic the Hedgehog and King of Fighters and graphics taken from Half Life 2 and BPS Tetris.

[codeman38]

So two random things I discovered about the Zone Sega/Sega Reactor, via this post on the Japanese blog "I FEEL ALRIGHT!":

1. The non-Mega Drive original games on it are Waixing stuff. The bowling game is the same one we've seen numerous times, and Beach Volleyball is a dead ringer for their Famiclone volleyball game.

2. The Mega Drive originals are all credited to one of two companies: AtGames... or Tec Toy. The latter, as you might recall, was the official Brazilian licensee of the Mega Drive, and developed some original software for it. So does that mean Tec Toy = AtGames?

[taizou]

codeman38

Jan 5 2011, 02:12:36 AM

2. The Mega Drive originals are all credited to one of two companies: AtGames... or Tec Toy. The latter, as you might recall, was the official Brazilian licensee of the Mega Drive, and developed some original software for it. So does that mean Tec Toy = AtGames?[/quote]I dunno, I think its more likely that Tec Toy sold some of their original software to AtGames (or vice versa, and AtGames just didnt bother to change the logo for their own version). AtGames and Tec Toy AFAIK have completely separate product lineups, and different approaches to Mega Drive clones - AtGames' use an emulator running on (IIRC) some kind of ARM based system, but TecToy's are actual hardware clones. TecToy actually seem to be selling their chips to other, non-licensed clone makers, theyre used in Yobo systems (manufactured by Qi Sheng Long) which usually results in a much better clone than the licensed ones by AtGames - I've been trying to get hold of one of QSL's handheld Mega Drives for a while now, but all I can see for sale anywhere are AtGames ones.

[codeman38]

I'd say it was probably Tec Toy licensing their code to AtGames. From what I've seen on videos, the Zone seems to be based on AtGames' hardware, not Tec Toy's-- it has the horribly off-key audio emulation that seem to be present in all of AtGames' stuff, but that isn't an issue on the Yobo.

[Awesome Panda]

codeman38

Jan 5 2011, 12:31:27 PM

I'd say it was probably Tec Toy licensing their code to AtGames. From what I've seen on videos, the Zone seems to be based on AtGames' hardware, not Tec Toy's-- it has the horribly off-key audio emulation that seem to be present in all of AtGames' stuff, but that isn't an issue on the Yobo.[/quote]Well if that was the case, then that raises the question as to why AtGames' Mega Drive clones have poor emulation when Tec Toy's clones (as far as I can tell) are pretty much the same as the real Mega Drive. Mind you, given that these clones are licensed by Sega I don't see why they didn't bother telling AtGames how to properly emulate the sound; especially seeing as they could emulate it perfectly fine in Sonic's Ultimate Mega Drive Collection. Then again, I don't know much about hardware.

BTW, I'm not sure if you're aware of this already but it's not just sound issues that plague these clones; some games suffer from graphical glitches and some simply don't work for various reasons. Also, the poor sound emulation reminds me a lot of the version of Genecyst I have on a CD. (which isn't even the final version)

[taizou]

portuguese versions of some of those games are on these cards for Tectoy's "MD Play" handheld too (which as far as I can tell is a rebranded version of AtGames' Gopher)
http://www.tectoy.com.br/produto_interna.php?id=53
http://www.tectoy.com.br/produto_interna.php?id=57
& their Guitar Idol thingy:
http://www.tectoy.com.br/pagina.php?tag=jogosmd100

Cheetahmen92

 

Well if that was the case, then that raises the question as to why AtGames' Mega Drive clones have poor emulation when Tec Toy's clones (as far as I can tell) are pretty much the same as the real Mega Drive. Mind you, given that these clones are licensed by Sega I don't see why they didn't bother telling AtGames how to properly emulate the sound; especially seeing as they could emulate it perfectly fine in Sonic's Ultimate Mega Drive Collection. Then again, I don't know much about hardware.[/quote]
well I think AtGames wanted to do more with the hardware than just play Mega Drive games, which is why they used an emulator running on something more powerful rather than a straight clone.. but then they didn't give enough of a shit to get it right. I doubt Sega had any technical involvement, they probably just sold AtGames the rights and let them get on with it.some screens of the Portuguese versions: (from a Master System clone): http://www.smspower.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11078
theyre all credited to Devworks Game Technology.

[Awesome Panda]

taizou

Jan 5 2011, 01:08:24 PM

some screens of the Portuguese versions: (from a Master System clone): http://www.smspower.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11078
theyre all credited to Devworks Game Technology.[/quote]If I remember correctly, Canhao was released on the Sega Reactor (no idea what that version is called) which I think was licensed by AtGames. Presumably, the supposedly original Mega Drive/Master System/whatever games included are all by Devworks. I also like how despite that their website doesn't seem to have been updated since 2005, they've been developing games up to at least 2009.

[taizou]

on a completely unrelated note this is one of the games from the Wow: http://twitpic.com/3ncfkp
you have to pick up the blocks and throw them around to make lines. Jungletac made something similar, so I assume both games are clones of something else - anyone know what it is?

[Awesome Panda]

Not sure if Dangerous Zone and its cohorts are clones of anything, but I do know that one of the games on the Zone 60 (I forget the name of it) is a clone of Magical Drop 3 for the Neo-Geo or something. I guess Chinese companies like that console a lot.

[taizou]

Oh, yeah, they all love the Neo-Geo. or at least they love to steal things from it. I think Jewel Fever 2 is the Magical Drop clone, its on the VG Pocket Caplet too.