I've uploaded pictures of all of the multicarts I have. Several of the pictures are upside down though for some odd reason.
http://i61.tinypic.com/2dtyvl5.jpg (http://i61.tinypic.com/2dtyvl5.jpg)
http://i60.tinypic.com/jrsfp1.jpg (http://i60.tinypic.com/jrsfp1.jpg)
http://i60.tinypic.com/2edo7dh.jpg (http://i60.tinypic.com/2edo7dh.jpg)
http://i59.tinypic.com/24qvk20.jpg (http://i59.tinypic.com/24qvk20.jpg)
http://i61.tinypic.com/5os5ft.jpg (http://i61.tinypic.com/5os5ft.jpg)[/quote]Sweet. Do these carts have names - just makes it a little easier to sort.
My understanding is that some of these cartridges came in parts, i.e. there was a factory in Taiwan or mainland China or wherever producing the boards (and maybe the artwork?), while the cartridge shells were produced locally. I'm guessing the costs skyrocket when you start shipping plastic around the world, although some people seem to have done that anyway.
(This still happens with things like the Everdrive (i.e. the cartridge that lets you use SD cards). Everdrives are sold without shells - distributors have to sort that noise out... although in that case they have to do the art too. That's why there's a bazillion variants of those things.)
But yeah it's surprisingly common to see the same cartridges pop up all over the world. Though we might struggle to keep track of where the shells were produced (spoilers: this is the same for the legitimate stuff - Sega had plants all over the world), I think it's possible to document the ROMs and labels. Or at least have a decent stab at it - I'm fairly satisfied with the attempt at documenting consoles (http://segaretro.org/Unlicensed_Sega_Mega_Drive_clones) and those had much the same problems.
- Black Squirrel
- Sep 9 2014, 02:46:15 PM
- Awesome Panda
- Sep 8 2014, 02:09:58 PM
I've uploaded pictures of all of the multicarts I have. Several of the pictures are upside down though for some odd reason.
http://i61.tinypic.com/2dtyvl5.jpg (http://i61.tinypic.com/2dtyvl5.jpg)
http://i60.tinypic.com/jrsfp1.jpg (http://i60.tinypic.com/jrsfp1.jpg)
http://i60.tinypic.com/2edo7dh.jpg (http://i60.tinypic.com/2edo7dh.jpg)
http://i59.tinypic.com/24qvk20.jpg (http://i59.tinypic.com/24qvk20.jpg)
http://i61.tinypic.com/5os5ft.jpg (http://i61.tinypic.com/5os5ft.jpg)[/quote]Sweet. Do these carts have names - just makes it a little easier to sort.[/quote]These are the names on the end labels:
Super Arcade 96 Shotting 8 in 1 [sic]
Super 59 in 1
4 in 1
Super 4 in 1
5 in 1
- Black Squirrel
- Sep 9 2014, 02:46:15 PM
My understanding is that some of these cartridges came in parts, i.e. there was a factory in Taiwan or mainland China or wherever producing the boards (and maybe the artwork?), while the cartridge shells were produced locally. I'm guessing the costs skyrocket when you start shipping plastic around the world, although some people seem to have done that anyway.[/quote]Most carts in my experience are manufactured in the same area, the big electronics manufacturers have their own molds they use so they don't have to rely on outside sources.
If it helps you any, I have pictures of every pirate game I've owned, plus a ton I've just got pics of. A lot of them I uploaded to the Bootleg Games Wiki pictures section so feel free to browse there and grab all them and I can also send you those from my personal collection. I really support this endevor whole heartedly since it's a very niche subject that I find immensely interesting.
I also have stock lists with stock ID's that use the numbering method I mentioned before. I can provide you these along with corresponding pictures to some of them if that information would help you any.
Also, the vast majority of the multi-game carts produced after the mid-90's are designed for clone systems sold in their own areas so they do not work on normal MD/Gen units because they lack the TMSS check to get the cart to boot. Those made with the Tomsoft SDK are a complete crapshoot to get to work, but a lot of the multi-game carts without TMSS will boot in an older non-TMSS MD/Gen or will boot in a newer TMSS machine if piggybacked on a Game Genie since it will use the TMSS routine programmed in the GG to get it to work.
- Azathoth
- Sep 9 2014, 11:04:08 PM
- Black Squirrel
- Sep 9 2014, 02:46:15 PM
My understanding is that some of these cartridges came in parts, i.e. there was a factory in Taiwan or mainland China or wherever producing the boards (and maybe the artwork?), while the cartridge shells were produced locally. I'm guessing the costs skyrocket when you start shipping plastic around the world, although some people seem to have done that anyway.[/quote]Most carts in my experience are manufactured in the same area, the big electronics manufacturers have their own molds they use so they don't have to rely on outside sources.
If it helps you any, I have pictures of every pirate game I've owned, plus a ton I've just got pics of. A lot of them I uploaded to the Bootleg Games Wiki pictures section so feel free to browse there and grab all them and I can also send you those from my personal collection. I really support this endevor whole heartedly since it's a very niche subject that I find immensely interesting.
I also have stock lists with stock ID's that use the numbering method I mentioned before. I can provide you these along with corresponding pictures to some of them if that information would help you any.
Also, the vast majority of the multi-game carts produced after the mid-90's are designed for clone systems sold in their own areas so they do not work on normal MD/Gen units because they lack the TMSS check to get the cart to boot. Those made with the Tomsoft SDK are a complete crapshoot to get to work, but a lot of the multi-game carts without TMSS will boot in an older non-TMSS MD/Gen or will boot in a newer TMSS machine if piggybacked on a Game Genie since it will use the TMSS routine programmed in the GG to get it to work.[/quote]Can I persuade you to register an account on Sega Retro and post/upload this stuff yourself - I'd hate to take credit for what sounds like valuable work ;)
oh cool - I always wanted to do something like this (for all systems) but I never really got around to it, good luck!
here's something random I noticed: on the carts with a number in plain black text in the bottom right, the letters seems to correspond with a Chinese name for the game or franchise, for example:
Fantasia ML009 = Mi Lao Shu 米老鼠 (Chinese name for Mickey Mouse)
Sonic YS001 = Yin Su Xiao Zi 音速小子
Jurassic Park ZL002 = Zhu Luo Ji Gong Yuan 侏羅紀公園
so that probably points to them being part of the same series.
On a similar subject has anyone verified that a pirated game actually came with pirated instructions? I'm not talking about unlicensed originals, I mean a genuine counterfeit of a commercial product that came with a reproduced manual.
The closest thing I ever found was a boxed copy of SFII:SCE for MD. There's a scan of both the box and cart of a similar version on the Sega Retro site listed above but both my box and cart are slightly different. The ROM itself is actually a pirate of the Japanese version (Street Fighter II' Plus) and at the time I purchased the cart it was apparently undumped because Goodgen couldn't label it and no other list had a [p] version of the ROM. It came with a manual, but the manual could have been swiped from the HK/Asian version. Paper wise the manual seems legitimate, but there's a few oddities here and there (like lack of warnings or TM's) that make me think its a fake, but I've never been able to find someone with an original copy of the Asian variant to verify it.
Edit...
Also Awesome Panda, on those multi cart picks what is #8 on the shooter named Desendu? And the other with Doremon named Ding Dong?
- Azathoth
- Sep 12 2014, 12:24:34 AM
Also Awesome Panda, on those multi cart picks what is #8 on the shooter named Desendu? And the other with Doremon named Ding Dong?[/quote]Daisendu is apparently called Daisenpu in Japan, although when I play it the title screen calls it Twin Hard. The Doraemon game is a platformer.
"Doraemon: Yume Dorobou to 7 Nin no Gozans"
I haven't seen any Mega Drive bootlegs or multi-carts or whatever ship with manuals, although there might be one or two for the Game Gear? South Korean stuff too, although the situation there is a lot more organised and self-contained.
The problem with manuals is that you usually have to write things in a language people might understand, but the games themselves are shipped all over the planet. Traditional Chinese or broken English doesn't really suffice if you're selling it in South America, where most speak Spanish (except Brazil, which is Portuguese).
GBC and GBA pirate carts often come with abridged copies of the original manuals, with maybe four or so pages (just covering basic controls and stuff). Although sometimes if they didn't have the original manual they'd include a "manual" that was just the text from the back of the box, or one for a related but completely different game. And the more "professional" pirate Chinese translations (e.g. the ones by Li Cheng) would often include a manual in Chinese - whether they wrote it from scratch or translated the original I'm not sure. But Li Cheng also translated a ton of Mega Drive games (under their former name of Winsen/Yongsheng) so I'd imagine they did the same thing there too.
One possible lead I forgot to mention.
"T&T Technology Corp" is a name that keeps popping up, either engraved onto the back of cartridges or as some sort of sticker (http://segaretro.org/File:Bootleg_NBAJam_MD_Cart_2.jpg), and I've seen it once or twice on consoles too. Unfortunately I can't make much headway on it because the name "T&T" is super common across all sorts of industries, although I can't imagine it's still trading under that name today.
- Azathoth
- Sep 12 2014, 12:24:34 AM
On a similar subject has anyone verified that a pirated game actually came with pirated instructions? I'm not talking about unlicensed originals, I mean a genuine counterfeit of a commercial product that came with a reproduced manual.
The closest thing I ever found was a boxed copy of SFII:SCE for MD. There's a scan of both the box and cart of a similar version on the Sega Retro site listed above but both my box and cart are slightly different. The ROM itself is actually a pirate of the Japanese version (Street Fighter II' Plus) and at the time I purchased the cart it was apparently undumped because Goodgen couldn't label it and no other list had a [p] version of the ROM. It came with a manual, but the manual could have been swiped from the HK/Asian version. Paper wise the manual seems legitimate, but there's a few oddities here and there (like lack of warnings or TM's) that make me think its a fake, but I've never been able to find someone with an original copy of the Asian variant to verify it.
Edit...
Also Awesome Panda, on those multi cart picks what is #8 on the shooter named Desendu? And the other with Doremon named Ding Dong?[/quote]I own some Famicom and GB/GBC/GBA stuff with manuals, even though completely bootleg. At one point I owned some SNES stuff of the same type, CIB. Not sure about Sega though it wouldnt surprise me.
You want bootleg Sega Genesis games? Buy an AtGames console and thank Devworks! :D