Generic Wii clone thread

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codeman38

Nov 15 2010, 01:51:42 AM

Edit: Also, the Cool Boy cart that taizou linked above? Note the very prominent Subor logo on it... and Subor = Waixing. I'm beginning to speculate that Invent might have been a contract developer for both Waixing and Qi Sheng Long.[/quote]Actually, that does kind of make sense to me. Still doesn't fully explain why QSL would make their own awful games when they could have contacted Invent to do some better ones instead. My only guess is space constraints, because I'm willing to bet that Street Dance (the one with the Sunsoft sound engine) is larger than all of QSL's 8-bit games. Mind you, they do have Waixing's Contra ripoffs on there, and Super Contra 7 is 256kb which is definitely much larger than their games so I've got no idea. And then there's the mystery of Table Tennis on the 8-bit Vii, which has Invent music but the rest of the game seems to be by QSL. Could be that they just stole the song or something, and given their other games I wouldn't be surprised.

[taizou]

Well mine turned up. its an iSports. which I mostly only bought so I could have a front-loading Famiclone with wireless controllers. but as it turns out this particular model does not have a famicom cart slot. grr. it still has the flaps where it should be, but theyre blocked off and theres nothing behind them anyway. So all I can do with it is play 48 terrible Waixing games. yay?

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taizou

Nov 19 2010, 12:18:58 PM

Well mine turned up. its an iSports. which I mostly only bought so I could have a front-loading Famiclone with wireless controllers. but as it turns out this particular model does not have a famicom cart slot. grr. it still has the flaps where it should be, but theyre blocked off and theres nothing behind them anyway. So all I can do with it is play 48 terrible Waixing games. yay?[/quote]Heh, I just discovered while searching for the iSports console that Subor has a YouTube channel. The only thing on it? A commercial for the iSports. In Greek.

http://www.youtube.com/user/suborchina

At least it's obvious who makes it now. Here's a new Wii clone I hadn't seen yet: "Family Sport 41-in-1". It's even worse than the Waixing ones, if that can be believed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEiBb7zrWpM

The background music in many of the games is ear-splittingly painful.

Edit: Googling for the names of the games turns up several hits for a MiWi-branded variation on the same system. But these aren't Waixing games, as far as I can tell; if they are, they're not in the Chinese copyright database.

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codeman38

Nov 19 2010, 01:57:50 PM

Here's a new Wii clone I hadn't seen yet: "Family Sport 41-in-1". It's even worse than the Waixing ones, if that can be believed:

http://[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEiBb7zrWpM[/url]

The background music in many of the games is ear-splittingly painful.

Edit: Googling for the names of the games turns up several hits for a MiWi-branded variation on the same system. But these aren't Waixing games, as far as I can tell; if they are, they're not in the Chinese copyright database.[/quote]Heh, I remember watching that several months back (the weird looking kid on the startup screen especially) and those games don't look like they're by Waixing, far worse if I dare say that. Hell, some of them actually look like direct ripoffs of those games. :lol: Also, yay for bad MIDI files!

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Just found definitive proof that the Zone 40 is from Subor/Waixing-- via, of all things, the Australian government's ratings board.

No, seriously-- here's the link. And if that doesn't work, search for "Zone 40" on http://www.classification.gov.au/.

Edit: Apparently it's actually marketed by an "Ultimate Products"-- I assume that's the company that owns the "Zone" name that orders all the OEM stuff from Subor.

Edit again: And indeed it is. Here's Ultimate's page mentioning the Zone brand. And yep, they're a company that buys OEM stuff from all over and slaps their brands on it.Also, judging from some videos I've found on YouTube, there are at least some versions of the Zone console that include the weird games from the MiWi Xtra that I mentioned above. See, for instance, this video from the Ultimate Console Database.

Clearly, "Zone" is largely synonymous with "MiWi"... at least with the exception of the JungleTac-developed Zone 60, anyway. But there's definitely overlap.Apparently the MiWi is manufactured by a company called Macro Winners. Yet they clearly license at least some games from Waixing. Now I'm really curious about the origin of those games that aren't credited to Waixing.

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Where on the Zone 40 is "mild violence?" That Sword of Warrior game? As for those unknown games, they're definitely by a company that takes music from various artists and game concepts from other consoles rebranded. The only companies I can think of that do either are Inventor (for the former as shown in the 2008 version of Street Dance) and Qi Sheng Long (for the latter) and given that QSL made the other games, I think we can rule them out unless they had a different development team for those games.

[taizou]

ooh good call on Macro Winners. that explains a lot. I guess they manufactured the original Zone (with the Miwi Xtra games) as a rebranded version of the Miwi, and Subor made the Zone 40. (i also recently discovered another Zone, the "Zone Mini", there are a few videos on youtube but I can't be arsed looking into it just yet)

they actually have a different, older version of their website up at http://macrowin.com ...
at the bottom of this page:
http://macrowin.com/Quotation/Miwi.htm
is a joystick that looks *very* similar to the 88 in 1 mentioned in this thread. all the games built into that joystick are hacks, and some of the hacks that arent on the 101 in 1 are credited to "Winners". so they seem to have made a few hacks themselves, but used others from Inventor or whoever. and now i finally know what that damn cartridge port is for! it's their own proprietary format, also used by this thing.

they also have some stuff up on Google Video: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Macro+Winners+Electronics+Ltd%22&tbs=vid%3A1oh yeah, and I've definitely seen that "BS" logo from their (current) website on some pirate famicom carts.the V-Mega seems to be one of theirs too.. and poking through archived versions of their website (and other stuff) i've found that "BS" seems to stand for "Belsonic", they were founded in Taiwan in 1988, and "Andy Brown" (as in "Andy Brown's World" on the V-Mega) was originally this thing.come to think of it I'm sure I've seen Andy Brown and that BS logo on a "GameStar" famiclone mouse too.. (I have a GameStar multicart for what its worth. and its shit.) and heres a GameStar Famiclone that looks identical to the Console TV by ABL. my Console TV 12 in 1 cart is also in a similar kinda case to the GameStar multi. hmm. I love some of the stuff they have on their old website. proper oldschool ridiculous looking famiclones like the MORTAL KOMBAT 3. and this Mega Drive clone. All seven of those games sound fantastic. and this - the description makes it sound like a Playstation clone, surely not?
At one point after that they seem to have gone through a phase of putting "Z" on the end of everythingz but the only one that survivez now is the Mi-Fiit Aero DANZ which is a pretty excellent name if you ask me.

this one's another Console TV alike -  seems like at one point Macro Win and ABL were based in the same building in HK. well maybe. MW was there in 01 but had moved by 03, ABL was still there in 03. So maybe there was some cooperation in the early 00's. just started a wiki article on this company.

and one more thing I found - there are pics here and a full list here of all their 16-bit games, but the "newly released 24 games" seem to be a different style and even a different aspect ratio to the usual Waixing games and the weird ones from the Miwi Xtra.
if anyone fancies pissing away $30, this one seems to be the latest version with all 89 games on it.

edit: incidentally these guys claim to be selling one with 127 games, more than Macro Winners even have.. wonder how they managed that. famicom multicart thrown in? okay this shit just keeps coming. heres an advert for some cartridge for certain models of MiWi that I've never heard of before (the only one I can actually find is the 360, here)
http://s917.photobucket.com/albums/ad15/ROSH1976/?action=view&current=macro1.jpg
the games on the left are all hacks from the 88 Games joystick, the ones on the right look like those Waixing Famiclone games with an enhanced colour palette that show up occasionally, and the ones at the bottom are standard 16-bit MiWi games..

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I've discovered yet another Wii knockoff called the "Wireless 60", available at Big Lots stores. Didn't actually buy it, but from what I can tell, it's one of the lesser of the JungleTac clones; several of the games on it have also been found on the KenSingTon Vii, including the ever-amusingly-named "Free Craps".Ooh! I just realized that some of those "24 original games" on the MiWi are from that execrable Family Sport 41-in-1 that I mentioned above. "Cat" on the MiWi is exactly the same game as "Dogs" on the 41-in-1, from what I can tell. Also, "Squirrel" is listed twice.

Incidentally, not sure if there's a connection here, but the safety warning on the 41-in-1 is very similar to that on the Zone 60 (see Tweeterman's review of the latter). The main difference is that the one on the 41-in-1 is much more Engrishy, but it's the same font and a similar design. The menu screen also has a very similar background. So is the 41-in-1 the dregs of JungleTac's development, perhaps?

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codeman38

Dec 12 2010, 06:02:57 PM

I've discovered yet another Wii knockoff called the "Wireless 60", available at Big Lots stores. Didn't actually buy it, but from what I can tell, it's one of the lesser of the JungleTac clones; several of the games on it have also been found on the KenSingTon Vii, including the ever-amusingly-named "Free Craps".[/quote]Pity you didn't buy it, because I can't find any info on that one anywhere. Not to mention, there are no Big Lots stores in this country so I don't know where to get it. (apart from the web, of course) Incidentally, I believe that Free Craps is based off the casino game.

Also, Tetris with the Balloon Trip theme FTW.

BTW, I just watched this video on the Zone 60 and the song in Caddie is definitely a remake of the song from Dangerous Zone by JungleTac.

[taizou]

well as I mentioned in the 8-bit Vii topic in the famicom board, I found its manufacturer, or exporter at least: http://www.powerkinghk.com
here's their alibaba page... I think? (the company name is different but they list the same website, so I guess its just their China office):
http://xinan.en.alibaba.com/productlist.html
for some reason every product image is a screenshot from a few of their games, none of which i've seen before - apparently theyre in 3d (as in 3D glasses-3D... hence the palettes being weird, I suppose). but googling Horrific Collapsar did get me this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Mii-Vii-WIRELESS-GAMING-CONSOLE-BNIB-/260697848377#ht_500wt_980
and this:
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/catalog/images/user_manual_Arctic_GC_PRO.pdf
I have no idea about most of the games on the latter. but some of them seem to be Jungletac stuff.. possibly?

and here's possibly the strangest Wii clone I've seen yet, courtesy of Trump Grand:
http://trumpgrand.en.alibaba.com/product/343619255-210477912/TAP_TAP_GO.html
TAP TAP GO!!! (exclamation marks their own). For the "Wic".
its not really a Wii clone in the conventional sense. its a ripoff of Prope's obscure/awesome Wii game Let's Tap. with screenshots on the back that look like standard 8-bit stuff, except Fast Running, which is.. a screenshot of the original game. unless they've done a really good job of cloning it.found a couple of videos of the GC Pro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqOZSBN_lds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5-Uh3aNfI0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmH8NoGUdLc
the graphics look pretty damn good for one of these things, especially the sports games. genuine 32bit I suppose.

& Arctic Cooling also have a handheld called "GCm", which seems to be a variation on the Family Sport:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mf4YWuJdFkandd heres another one seemingly running the same 32 bit hardware  :
http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/360335439-Free-Shipping-32BIT-Sports-TV-Game-game-player-video-game-wholesalers.html
the listing claims 48 games but only 30 are listed.. i can only assume there are 18 more games that the seller forgot to include. because otherwise thatd mean this console has no tennis, pingpong, golf or baseball games, rendering the stupid plastic attachments even more useless than they normally are

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taizou

Dec 15 2010, 01:41:30 AM

and this:
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/catalog/images/user_manual_Arctic_GC_PRO.pdf
I have no idea about most of the games on the latter. but some of them seem to be Jungletac stuff.. possibly?[/quote]I found another manual which lists details of the actual games:
http://www.arctic-cooling.com/catalog/images/game_manual_ARCTIC_GC_PRO.pdf

That's definitely JungleTac stuff on there. "Tower Ladder" appears to be the same thing as "Challenge 100" on the Cyber Arcade Center. And "Bubble Monster" and "Jewel Master" are the same names JungleTac uses for the respective games on their 8-bit clones. And that Darts game just looks like the one on the KenSingTon Vii.

Edit: Oh, yeah, and some of those sound effects are used on the Vii as well.http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/269414317/HD_032_2010_Brand_New_Sports.html

A Qi Sheng Long console. With the same (supposedly) JungleTac games as the GC Pro.

I have no idea what's going on now.

Edit: Better view of the Qi Sheng Long console, with more games shown. Definitely the same ones on the GC Pro. Weird.

[taizou]

Ah, nice find - I guess this is Jungletac's foray into 32-bit then. No wonder they've been quiet lately. Seems kind of a shame that they abandoned the Vii's actual motion sensing for the "shake = button press" crap of lesser Wii clones though.okay I have no idea what the deal is with that Qi Sheng Long one either.. but both companies' games are on the Cyber Arcade Center, its not inconceivable they could have collaborated again. maybe QSL gave up on developing its own 32 bit stuff (they seem to have been mostly stuck on famiclone and enhanced-colour famiclone) and just licensed some games from jungletac.heres their Wiwi32, from what I can make out of the screenshots on the box it seems like the same deal:
http://www.qishenglong.com/doce/product/details_92.html###
it also looks identical to that one on aliexpress.

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Incidentally, I'm beginning to think more and more that the Family Sport and GCm are JungleTac-related as well. Possibly a less skilled development team at JungleTac or something, but there are just too many things in common not to be coincidental.

Edit: Oh, yeah-- the VG Pocket Caplet, also developed by JungleTac, has MIDI music that's just as off-key as on the Family Sport. So yeah...

[taizou]

Yeah, they do seem related.. but whats odd to me is that *all* the games on those two consoles don't appear on anything else by Jungletac - from their earlier standalone handhelds like the Caplet, through the OneStation and Vii VC cartridges right up to the Zone 60's mini-games theyve been using basically the same set of 16-bit games. The Family Sport hardware still looks 16-bit to me, but maybe its a different architecture than their usual stuff, and they just rushed out a bunch of games for it (maybe at the request of some other company)?

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taizou

Dec 15 2010, 02:41:03 AM

Yeah, they do seem related.. but whats odd to me is that *all* the games on those two consoles don't appear on anything else by Jungletac - from their earlier standalone handhelds like the Caplet, through the OneStation and Vii VC cartridges right up to the Zone 60's mini-games theyve been using basically the same set of 16-bit games. The Family Sport hardware still looks 16-bit to me, but maybe its a different architecture than their usual stuff, and they just rushed out a bunch of games for it (maybe at the request of some other company)?[/quote]Yeah, that's what threw me off at first as well... none of the names show up anywhere else.

However, I did wonder about something: perhaps they're renames of existing JungleTac games. For instance, "Dog" on the Family Sport is exactly the same gameplay concept as "Right Spot" on the Cyber Arcade Center (six spots, you can move pieces either across or to a neighboring square, and the object is to get the pieces in the right spots). Though I'm sure that game concept was a pre-existing idea anyway, so that probably doesn't mean much at all...

And of course, the game info sheet for the GCm on Arctic's site gives no information whatsoever about the actual gameplay.Looking at the GCm manual further... "Super Porter" sounds very much like "Dangerous Zone" on the Cyber Arcade Center. 'Course, I could be completely wrong; I wish I could actually see some gameplay videos...Guess who makes a console with the same list of games? And 41 of them, to be exact? Macro Winners, that's who!Ooh. Searching for "Benthal Jewel", I found this PDF with screenshots of an 80-in-1 console marketed by Overmania in Poland, probably the same as the GCm.

"Super Porter" is indeed Dangerous Zone. "Benthal Jewel" is, of course, Magic Jewelry/Jewel Master. "100 Floor" looks like Challenge 100. And "Balloon Boy" is...obvious.

Yet some of these other games seem like 16-bit versions of Trump Grand's stuff. And few others are obvious knockoffs of real games, but none that I've seen from Trump Grand or JungleTac.

Curiouser and curiouser...