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Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 22, 2011, 11:27:54 PM
this is a 16-bit plug & play console I got at the same time as the Samuri, never really bothered with it much though. because yknow some generic 16-bit thing totally can't compete against Hummer Teamness. but I busted it out again recently and i've noticed a few interesting things about it. well kind of interesting. so here it is:

(http://i.imgur.com/HdfSN.jpg)

the box is packed away at the moment, its nothing special. except it says something like "EMG 2008 30 in 1 User Gnide"(sic) all over it for some reason. and no that text doesn't appear on the "manual" (a single sheet of paper with setup instructions in chinese depicting an AC adapter connection it doesnt actually have).

I don't know much about Sunnyflyer, google returns a few results for a Taiwanese maker of model planes under that name but there;s no mention of them branching into games. and i've seen two other consoles with their name on it, a famiclone with 88 games built in and 50 on cart (not sure if they're originals or what) and some unidentified dancemat.

anyway the console itself is about as cheaply made and uncomfortable to hold as it looks. it also looks identical to this Excalibur famiclone with Nice Code games built in (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2McXAP3WYG0).
theres an on-screen volume control in the menu for some reason, even though the sound in some games is distorted if you set it on anything above 1 (and it defaults to 4...).

i have no idea who actually made the built-in games, but there are one or two random connections in here. for one, the sound effect when you pause a game was also used by Jungletac, I think in the menu of the VG Pocket Caplet. the rest are game specific so i'll point them out when i get to them.

1. Lion Roar - Puzzloop clone
2. Battlefront - guy at the bottom of the screen shooting alien robot things. and there are shields you can take cover behind. like Space Invaders from a different perspective I guess. Kinda reminds me of Space Invaders: Invasion Day for the PS2 2Dified.
3. Bubble Man - like some kind of crazy bastard offspring of Bomberman, Sokoban and Bubble Bobble
4. Goal - Penalty shootout game. bit more involved than the usual Wii clone "shake the remote and hope" type game, there are powerups and stuff. but unfortunately this didn't reveal the name of the developer as penalty shootout games often do, unless theyre called "Bear" or "Cloud". (someone in the crowd is holding up a sign saying "Nice" but I dont think its ~Code)
5. Shooting King - one of these basketball shooting games. stop the guy moving and then set the power.
6. 1945 - vertical shooter. Similar to the games on ABL's 16-bit Air Blaster, maybe the same dev? Instead of no music like the Air Blaster's it has a probably stolen 5 second sample though.
7. 3D Bean - the Mega Drive Harry Potter pirate. seriously. the sound, a couple of the sprites and the HUD are different, but the background graphics are basically identical and so is the gameplay. unlike the original Level 2 uses the same graphics as Level 1, i'm not sure if subsequent levels do because the AI is annoying and the controls suck. >:0 I think it's a port to some other hardware rather than this being a Mega Drive clone though.
8. Sonic X - uh not really Sonic at all. well the main character isn't Sonic and it doesn't control like Sonic. but it is a platform game. The levels do have a few Sonicy elements in them though and some of the level graphics look like bits of Green Hill Zone if Sonic had been a bad early-90s PC game.
9. Apaqi - Another ABL Air Blaster esque shooter.
10. Blackjack - what it sounds like
11. Bomber - basically a Bomberman clone with a more maze like level layout
12. Bosconian - a port of Namco's arcade game. the sprites are updated but its more or less a direct port.
13. China Brick - tetris clone
14. Elevator - you're an elevator operator and you have to take cavemen to the floor they ask for. yep.
15. Golf - a golf game. seemingly with a lot of graphics ripped from Neo Turf Masters
16. Hit Brick - breakout/arkanoid clone
17. Math - pick the right numbers and symbols to reach the total on screen
18. Maze Car - Rally X clone
19. Moon Tank - a Pang clone. with a version of the Charlies Angels theme tune that reminds me of the obscure DS puzzle game Trioncube a bit.
20. Motorboat - jetski racing. Decent Mode 7 ish graphics. and also the riders' arses are very visible through their outfits. im just saying.
21. Poker - not poker. just bet on whether you or the computer have the highest card. exciting.
22. Span - you just run along and jump over stuff. sort of like a low rent Canabalt or something. (except this was made before Canabalt). quite fun really. oh and a special mention for the music which starts off quite reasonably but when the actual tune kicks in it sounds like its being performed by a robot cat with its balls caught in a dot matrix printer. or something.
23. Shooting Ball - a Puzzle Bobble clone. a pretty bland one at that.
24. Shoot Birds - shoot some birds. Not even ducks or anything, they look more like sparrows.
25. Spin - slot machine. yay pointlessgames
26. Tank - you're in a tank at one end of a field, other tanks are coming at you, shoot them, the end
27. Tank War - Battle City clone
28. Top Ball - bounce balls off your head from one side of the screen to the other
29. Treasure Brick - Columns clone. amusingly the sound effect when a piece lands is blatantly a stock door-closing sound effect.
30. Triangle Plane - Asteroids clone, complete with pseudo vector graphics

... and that's it!

In general the games aren't too bad. the graphics and music are a bit dodgy in some of them which didn't give me a great first impression, but mostly theyre quite fun.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Barver on July 22, 2011, 11:48:30 PM
Well, me always being most interested in pirates that are based off or the least bit influenced by a main franchise wouldn't mind seeing some video of that Sonic X game sometime.

And that really is one of the most uncomfortable controllers I've ever seen.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 23, 2011, 12:26:13 AM
Yeah I could do a video of it. i'll move it to the top of my list of plug & play games to record videos of (which consists of about 10000000 Nice Code games at the moment). It's really only Sonic influenced in the vaguest way though lol, they were pretty cheeky calling it "Sonic" at all.

I think I might be on to something about the developer though - the company Hummer Software (no relation to Hummer Team... I think), that was founded by a few ex Dragon Co people after Dragon closed, mentions developing for EMG802, EMG1000 & EMG1020 systems by Elan on its archived website (http://web.archive.org/web/20080930232725/http://www.hummersoftware.com/introduce.asp). and that site also lists a Harry Potter game for the Mega Drive, presumably the one 3D Bean was based on, plus a Sonic game for the EMG1000. (although they say it has "maps completely faithful to the original design", so either they're big fat liars with their pants on fire or it's a different game to Sonic X on here)

Unfortunately the videos and downloads that were on their site are long gone so I can't confirm anything (and what sucks is I remember finding that site back in 08 when it was still active, but I was looking for Hummer Team so I ignored it once I realised it wasn't them and I didn't bother investigating it further. damn it.)
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: codeman38 on July 23, 2011, 12:35:47 AM
I'm curious to see video of some of these, just for the sheer trainwreck factor. Mainly 3D Bean, Sonic X, Moon Tank and Span.

Edit: And I would not be surprised at all with the Hummer Software thing. They made Death Caliber, which was developed using the same devkit as the Harry Potter game...
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 23, 2011, 01:15:28 AM
oh yeah, I completely forgot I had this:
http://fuji.drillspirits.net/stuff/2.doc (http://fuji.drillspirits.net/stuff/2.doc)

its word document with a list of games complete with screenshots, including everything from this console (I think) and a bunch of other stuff presumably by the same developer and/or for the same hardware. I found it on the website of some console manufacturer/distributor which went down shortly after (there's a lesson there, save interesting shit). i forget the company's name but i made a note of it somewhere on my other computer.
oh yeah, the company's name was Jempire. their own website is indeed down now, but considering their alibaba page lists lamp shades i'm guessing they are/were just a general trading company.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 23, 2011, 06:11:13 AM
If that Harry Potter hack is anything to go by, then I presume that these are all Mega Drive games. Looking at Word document, I think that the graphics in Cross the River are stolen from an RPG, Crazy Rocket is another ripoff of that Flash game I can't remember the name of, Beach Racing takes place in the middle of a desert, Sonic X looks like a Game Maker project done by a 10 year old, Virus Killer is a pretty obvious Dr. Mario ripoff and Linking looks a lot like Krazy Kreatures on the NES.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 23, 2011, 09:59:11 AM
I don't think they're really Mega Drive games, judging from the box anyway it's running on one of these EMG systems. could be wrong though. and hell whichever EMG system it uses might actually be a Mega Drive clone or some modified VT03 esque thing for all I know.

incidentally I found an EMG IDE on Elan's website but it needs a serial number which I guess you can only get if you're an actual developer for the thing. there is a music conversion utility in there though which is credited to "Hummer Studio". Very similar to Tommy Xie's Mega Drive music converter as it happens, I guess it was based on that.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 23, 2011, 10:03:09 AM
In other words, Hummer Cheng made a music conversion tool for a company called Elan? I'm guessing it's probably an updated version of Tommy Xie's program, as that was a bit flawed by my experience.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 23, 2011, 10:11:20 AM
well I assume Hummer Studio is Hummer Software (the company founded by ex Dragon Co people), and its nothing to do with Hummer Cheng. although for all I know there could be a relationship between the two. there are entirely too many hummers in this situation.

but yeah, this is the Elan I'm talking about - http://www.emc.com.tw/eng/index.asp (http://www.emc.com.tw/eng/index.asp) (edit: english version)
they make all kinds of ICs and stuff (something i just noticed is that they sued Apple in April for pretty much the same thing Apple are suing HTC for now. lol. patents eh?) including the EMG series which are system-on-chip type things for game consoles. the only one listed now is the EMG2000a but Hummer Software's site mentioned a few earlier ones.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 23, 2011, 10:16:52 AM
taizou
Jul 23 2011, 10:11:20 AM
well I assume Hummer Studio is Hummer Software (the company founded by ex Dragon Co people), and its nothing to do with Hummer Cheng. although for all I know there could be a relationship between the two. there are entirely too many hummers in this situation.[/quote]I doubt it, it seems a bit of an unlikely coincidence for two different developers with Hummer in the name to have such an association with pirated games. I'm guessing Hummer started up the company and some of the members of Dragon Co. moved to it.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 23, 2011, 10:25:24 AM
Yeah, I guess it might have been a team he started on the mainland or something. The Chinese names are different (Hummer Software's translates to "hummingbird") but that doesn't necessarily rule it out.

incidentally i found this website http://www.hummerstudio.com/ (http://www.hummerstudio.com/) which is registered to a guy in Xi'an (http://who.godaddy.com/whois.aspx?domain=hummerstudio.com&prog_id=GoDaddy), where Hummer Software was based. He does seem to be a programmer but the site is just a blog for his own personal projects and there's nothing game related on there so I'm not sure if they're connected.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 23, 2011, 10:34:12 AM
Just wondering, what's the sound engine on this system like anyway? Is it like a Mega Drive or is it a generic 16-bit soundchip?
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 23, 2011, 10:35:22 AM
It sounds a bit Mega Drivey to me. Could be wrong though.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Doomkid on July 23, 2011, 11:37:49 AM
My hands ache just looking at that controller.. It looks like a MD clone, in my opinion. And seriously, what's with all the 'Hummer' teams? Very strange, you'd think they wouldn't pick a name thats already been used. What's the association between games and Hummers, anyway? :P
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Ninja-Kun on July 23, 2011, 12:16:53 PM
Funny how they made a blatant Asteroids clone, and they called it "Triangle Plane" O_o
I also find curious that many games have an "exit" feature in many games.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: codeman38 on July 23, 2011, 12:20:06 PM
Wow, 3D Bean really is the Harry Potter game for Mega Drive.

Also curious: "Labyrinth" (from the Jempire doc) is quite similar to Nice Code's game of the same name. Makes sense, though, given that Nice Code is ex-Tomsoft ex-Dragon people...

Edit: Same thing for "Sub War" in the same document, too!
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 23, 2011, 12:24:05 PM
Ninja-Kun
Jul 23 2011, 12:16:53 PM
I also find curious that many games have an "exit" feature in many games.[/quote]Action 52 and JungleTac's Wii clones did the same thing, in case you're unaware. :)
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 23, 2011, 12:24:11 PM
Ninja-Kun
Jul 23 2011, 12:16:53 PM
I also find curious that many games have an "exit" feature in many games.[/quote]They actually all do. some games don't have a title screen but it's on the pause menu instead. Which is quite convenient really, because if you exit through the menu it preserves the volume setting, but if you press the reset button it reverts back to horrible distorting 4.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Ninja-Kun on July 23, 2011, 12:28:23 PM
@Chettahmen: You're right, I wish more of these crappy games had an "exit" feature just to save us the work of resetting the machine to select another piece of crap :P
@Taizou: Just wondering, what's the maximum volume level? O_o
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 23, 2011, 12:33:39 PM
6 I think.

and yeah, the one i really wish had an exit feature is the Overmax 151 in 1, because that doesn't even have a reset button - you have to hold the start button for a few seconds to reset. and almost invariably the crappy infrared will crap out partway through and it won't reset at all, leaving you swearing at the game unpausing and pausing itself before you give up and just switch the power off and back on.
oh yeah, something i found out a while back (can't remember if i posted it here) is that Hummer Software was bought by Prescope (http://www.prescope.com/) in 2007, and it's called Promexus (http://www.promexus.cn/) now. (the basketball game pictured on the front page of Promexus's site is the same one from this console).
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 23, 2011, 07:22:15 PM
Isn't one of the games on that website a complete ripoff of Lemmings?
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 23, 2011, 08:11:47 PM
Hell yeah it is. Nice graphics though (http://www.promexus.cn/file/Product/%E8%9A%82%E8%9A%81%E5%B8%9D%E5%9B%BD.gif).
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 24, 2011, 11:52:05 PM
found this website run by Promexus: http://www.igo-3dgames.com/ (http://www.igo-3dgames.com/)
it offers some game downloads for some of their consoles, namely the following (found on their alibaba page):

iGO, a 3D (with glasses) handheld console:
http://promexus.en.alibaba.com/product/331549304-210301882/3D_pocket_video_game_console.html (http://promexus.en.alibaba.com/product/331549304-210301882/3D_pocket_video_game_console.html)
apparently supports 152 2D games and 25 3D games. I guess since they say "support" rather than "built in" they were intended to be distributed via that website.

eGO, 3D touch screen handheld:
http://promexus.en.alibaba.com/product/328337508-210301882/3D_handheld_touch_screen_games.html (http://promexus.en.alibaba.com/product/328337508-210301882/3D_handheld_touch_screen_games.html)
again says it supports 152 2D games, 25 3D games plus 60 touch games.

& PI aka P-eye:
http://promexus.en.alibaba.com/product/328146032-210301882/camera_video_game_console.html (http://promexus.en.alibaba.com/product/328146032-210301882/camera_video_game_console.html)
it has a built in camera and 50 camera based games included.

There's also one more console listed on there that isn't represented on the site, the "pMat":
http://promexus.en.alibaba.com/product/331570030-210301882/Children_sports_game_mat.html (http://promexus.en.alibaba.com/product/331570030-210301882/Children_sports_game_mat.html)

I can only assume though that either none of these consoles were released or they didn't sell well at all - I can't find any evidence of them on Google (outside of manufacturers listings on various trade sites) and all of the games on their site had <10 downloads before I got there. there are different games listed on the Chinese and English versions of the page and for many of the games on the Chinese side I was seriously the first and only person to download them.

Anyway to save people having to register and download everything individually I've downloaded all the games and reuploaded them in a single archive (plus videos and some other stuff) here: http://www.mediafire.com/?5q5uc81m53w46 (http://www.mediafire.com/?5q5uc81m53w46)

All these consoles run on the 16bit GPL16258VB by Generalplus (http://www.generalplus.com/) (which is a division of Sunplus), as far as I know there's no publicly available emulator for it so you can't really do much with the files without the console, except poke around for hidden stuff. Going from screenshots and videos a few of the games do look identical to the ones on the Sunnyflyer console so I guess they were ported over, unless the EMG-whatever chip in that is similar/identical to Generalplus' thing.
also i saved this from a google cache just after jempire's site went down:
http://fuji.drillspirits.net/stuff/jempire_quote.htm (http://fuji.drillspirits.net/stuff/jempire_quote.htm)
& here's their actual alibaba page (i guess that lampshade one wasnt it lol):
http://www.alibaba.com/member/jacobchou/productgrouplist-100538292/Game_consoles.html#products (http://www.alibaba.com/member/jacobchou/productgrouplist-100538292/Game_consoles.html#products)
That Famicom style plug & play controller is kinda cute. I wish mine had been one of those instead of the big plastic monstrosity it is.

i also found this HK company with a couple of the same products listed:
http://www.newtradein.com/company-product/Wattly-International-Co-Ltd--33770.html (http://www.newtradein.com/company-product/Wattly-International-Co-Ltd--33770.html)
the "Micky Ball" is.. an interesting concept to say the least.
and heres the HK company (Wattly/Wingtech)'s archived website; (yeah im totally on some kind of mad research kick right now)
http://web.archive.org/web/20070127014845/http://www.wingtech.com.cn/ (http://web.archive.org/web/20070127014845/http://www.wingtech.com.cn/)
most of the content isnt there but the flash intro is. and among the products shown are that Excalibur 64 in 1, and the dance mat I mentioned (albeit under a different name).

& a couple more trade sites:
http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/wtmonno/product-list/catalog-1.html (http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/wtmonno/product-list/catalog-1.html)
http://www.tradekey.com/product_listall/uid/909254/Wattly-International-Co-Ltd.htm (http://www.tradekey.com/product_listall/uid/909254/Wattly-International-Co-Ltd.htm)

their previous website was located at http://www.wattly.com (http://www.wattly.com) if anyone fancies doing an archive search on that one.

theres also mention somewhere of them having a factory in Zhongshan. which I associate with Subor more than anything else. but I dunno maybe there are tons of cheap console manufacturers there.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 25, 2011, 06:11:19 AM
I might be wrong, but isn't that thing on Guess the Way taken from Pokémon? And Raft sort of looks like River Raid crossed with stage 2 of Adventures of Tom Sawyer on the NES.

The games themselves look a fair bit more competently done than JungleTac's 16-bit games. And the sound in 054.flv kind of sounds like a Mega Drive but I can't really tell if it is.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 25, 2011, 08:46:12 AM
yeah that looks like a bastardised version of Marill in Guess the Way to me. and the game itself is a ripoff of a mini-game from Bishi Bashi Special (unless some other game did it first).

Most of the games in those videos seem to have the exact same music though, I dunno what the deal is with that.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 25, 2011, 09:08:16 AM
taizou
Jul 25 2011, 08:46:12 AM
Most of the games in those videos seem to have the exact same music though, I dunno what the deal is with that.[/quote]They probably figured "Well this sounds better than what you get on those other Plug N Play systems, let's just use it for most of the games because we're too lazy to compose another song". :P

Edit: Just wondering, are you doing an article on this like the Samuri 60-in-1?
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 27, 2011, 04:14:30 PM
nah, probably not tbh. if anything is gonna get one soon it'll probably be the ZDog.
I am planning some kind of like database of plug & play consoles and the games on them though. but I just found out I need to rewrite a whole ton of code if I want it to work so it probably won't be soon.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 27, 2011, 04:39:10 PM
As much as I'd hate to say it, that'd be like making a database of Famiclones. In other words, it'd be near impossible because of how many of them there are. :X
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 27, 2011, 04:56:51 PM
lol. yes probably. but when it comes down to it a lot of them are just the same damn thing with a slightly different selection of games. so we'll see.
I think what I might do is open it to contributions from other people as well. not the general public, it'd take too much work to prevent abuse and stuff. but just to a few trusted people from this board (if anyone's interested)
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 27, 2011, 05:26:49 PM
Of course. :) I'd contribute to my blog, but I've been too lazy to update it and nobody reads it anyway. :P
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 27, 2011, 05:43:08 PM
lol, same goes for my site really. I'll post somewhere on the board if i ever get this thing up and running though. it might just be one of these things I start and never finish. hell I started it ages ago to cover those Inventor hacks, then abandoned it for a while, and now i'm back on it with a probably unrealistic expanded focus.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: Awesome Panda on July 27, 2011, 05:52:37 PM
I think it'd be a good idea for other people (who can be trusted, of course) to write pages on other plug 'n play systems and things like that. Merely a suggestion, though.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 27, 2011, 07:06:16 PM
Yeah, hell, i could go for that.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: codeman38 on July 27, 2011, 10:41:25 PM
That 'plink' sound in Mine Worker (001.flv) is definitely used in JungleTac games, too, if I recall.

Curious where they got that music loop from, because it had to have been from somewhere else. :)
Classic Chinese quality control-- "score" is misspelled as "socre" on the screenshot of Mine Worker on Promexus' site. (It's spelled correctly in the video, though.)
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: taizou on July 27, 2011, 11:09:20 PM
lol. "score" is one of those incredibly common game words that's never spelt right in these things. it's always "scor" or "scroe" or "scoer" or something. same goes for "bonus" - the number of times i've seen "bouns" (or even "boun")...
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: codeman38 on July 27, 2011, 11:39:28 PM
::giggle:: Yeah, I've noticed the same thing regarding "score" and "bonus". (The latter is misspelled in Tiny Toon Adventures 3!)

I know I've seen at least two misspellings of "press" (as in "press start") in Chinese Famiclones as well.
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: brightentayle on July 28, 2011, 02:07:49 AM
That gamepad fami looks neat, lemmie notice :D
Title: Sunnyflyer 30 in 1
Post by: NintariousFamicreep on September 26, 2014, 07:47:21 PM
codeman38
Jul 23 2011, 12:20:06 PM
Wow, 3D Bean really is the Harry Potter game for Mega Drive.

Also curious: "Labyrinth" (from the Jempire doc) is quite similar to Nice Code's game of the same name. Makes sense, though, given that Nice Code is ex-Tomsoft ex-Dragon people...

Edit: Same thing for "Sub War" in the same document, too![/quote]First Harry, Then Pika...Now 3D Bean.  =O